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From: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	kaos@ocs.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:19:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020919021924.GA31417@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020919020654.9B68E2C04C@lists.samba.org>

On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:00:23AM +1000, Rusty Russell wrote:
> In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209182313360.8911-100000@serv> you write:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > 
> > > 	I've rewritten my in-kernel module loader: this version breaks
> > > much less existing code.  Basically, we go to a model of
> > > externally-controlled module refcounts with possibility of failure
> > > (ie. try_inc_mod_count, now called try_module_get()).
> > 
> > You add a lot of complexity in an attempt to solve a quite simple problem.
> > I agree that the module load mechanism could be simplified, but why do you
> > want to do it in the kernel?
> 
> Count the total lines of code in the kernel.  It's less than it was
> before.  Even for ia64, it's around the same IIRC.
> 
> Now add the userspace code, and it's obviously far simpler.  Not to
> mention not having to worry about problems like insmod dying between
> the two system calls...
> 
> I'm all for keeping things out of the kernel, but you can take things
> too far.  I was originally reluctant, but the beauty and simplicity of
> doing it in-kernel changed my mind.

I still think that the kernel has no business knowing how to parse ELF
relocation.  It's just as easy to parse it in userspace; and what do
you gain from moving the complexity from userspace to kernelspace?

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
MontaVista Software                         Debian GNU/Linux Developer

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-19  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-18  2:05 Rusty Russell
2002-09-18 22:59 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19  1:00   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19  2:19     ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2002-09-19  3:57       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 10:44     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 12:51       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 13:54         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 18:38           ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 18:58             ` Alan Cox
2002-09-19 20:11               ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 20:42                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-30 15:32                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-03 18:53                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-04  0:10                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15  3:25                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-15 15:28                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15 23:53                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16  2:59                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16  6:11                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16 17:33                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 22:48                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17  1:57                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-17  7:41                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 14:49                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-17 14:56                                     ` your mail Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-18  2:47                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-18 21:50                                         ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-17 17:20                                     ` [RFC] change format of LSM hooks Daniel Phillips
2002-10-18  2:04                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 17:25                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16  8:15                         ` [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7 Chris Wright
2002-09-19 20:10             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-20  1:22             ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20  4:32               ` Greg KH
2002-09-20  9:25                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21  7:38               ` Kevin O'Connor
2002-09-22 23:31                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 23:44           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20  9:32             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-21  4:17               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21 17:09                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-23  0:20                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-24 10:16                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-24 14:54                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25  0:46                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25  5:50                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 11:36                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25 12:53                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 21:28                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-26  1:49                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-26 23:38                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-27  1:11                                       ` Scott Murray
2002-09-27  1:34                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-28  0:48                                           ` David Lang
2002-10-15  4:53                                       ` Rusty Russell

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