From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] change format of LSM hooks
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:04:15 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021018022503.1E5F52C24A@lists.samba.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:20:10 +0200." <E182EJl-0004Rd-00@starship>
In message <E182EJl-0004Rd-00@starship> you write:
> > The current spinlock is horrible.
>
> Is it? You must be thinking about much more intensive use of the spinlock as
> with per-op calls as opposed to per-attach (mount). I'd planned to make the
> spinlocks per-module, but your per-cpu code looks just fine.
Actually, after I thought about it harder, I was inspired by your
point that the race can be prevented with a spinlock (as currently
done). I spent last night writing a new solution to this (I'm testing
it now), which works as follows:
/* We only need protection against local interrupts. */
#ifndef __HAVE_ARCH_LOCAL_INC
#define local_inc(x) atomic_inc(x)
#define local_dec(x) atomic_dec(x)
#endif
static inline int try_module_get(struct module *module)
{
int ret = 1;
if (module) {
unsigned int cpu = get_cpu();
if (likely(module->live))
local_inc(&module->ref[cpu]);
else
ret = 0;
put_cpu();
}
return ret;
}
static inline void module_put(struct module *module)
{
if (module) {
unsigned int cpu = get_cpu();
local_dec(&module->ref[cpu]);
/* Maybe they're waiting for us to drop reference? */
if (unlikely(!module->live))
wake_up_process(module->waiter);
put_cpu();
}
}
Now, these are both short, sweet, and cache-local. The unload stage
becomes harder. We stop all the reference counts by scheduling a
thread on every cpu, then having them all do a local_irq_disable.
This means we know that the refcounts won't change, and we can safely
sum them. If they're zero (or the non-block flag isn't set), we set
"module->live" to false and release the CPUs.
Now, in the sleeping case, I sleep uninterruptible, but drop the
module mutex first, so other module stuff can happen at the same time.
This completely prevents the spurious unload race.
> > I don't know of any code which does this now, but it is at least a
> > theoretical problem.
>
> To resolve this, start the module in can-increment state, do the module
> initialization, register the notifiers, and finally register the interface.
> In other words, the module never needs to be in can't-increment state at
> initialization. (The module writer must ensure they have the correct,
> raceless initial state of whatever the notifiers are notifying about, which
> strikes me as a little tricky in itself.)
Yes, this basically means two-state init for modules, which I shy
clear of in general. But if any modules care, they can do this
themselves, though, by setting "THIS_MODULE.live = 1;" to activate
the notifiers during their init routine.
Basically, with the other one solved, I'm happy to place this on the
shoulders of any module which really cares.
> > IMHO, the benifits of having it in-kernel outweigh the slight extra
> > size.
>
> I'll cast my vote for your in-kernel linker, in the mistaken belief that
> democracy has anything to do with the question. Does this make progress
> towards eliminating one of create_module or init_module?
Yes, query_module, create_module and /proc/ksyms all gone.
> > > > ...The second is the "die-mother-fucker-die"
>
> I'd use this feature in filesystem development, regardless of the risks,
> since I regularly do worse things to the kernel anyway. But don't you think
> the rmmod parameter should be different for the ask-nicely vs the
> shoot-in-the-head flavor? How about -f -f or -F for the latter?
Yes, currently:
rusty@mingo:~$ /sbin/rmmod
Usage: /sbin/rmmod [--wait|-f] <modulename>
The --wait option begins a module removal even if it is used
and will stop new users from accessing the module (so it
should eventually fall to zero).
The -f option forces a module unload, and may crash your
machine. This requires the Forced Module Removal option
when the kernel was compiled.
Cheers,
Rusty.
--
Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-18 2:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-09-18 2:05 [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7 Rusty Russell
2002-09-18 22:59 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 1:00 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 2:19 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-19 3:57 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 10:44 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 12:51 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 13:54 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 18:38 ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 18:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-19 20:11 ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 20:42 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-30 15:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-03 18:53 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-04 0:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15 3:25 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-15 15:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15 23:53 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16 2:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 6:11 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16 17:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 22:48 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 1:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-17 7:41 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 14:49 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-17 14:56 ` your mail Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-18 2:47 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-18 21:50 ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-17 17:20 ` [RFC] change format of LSM hooks Daniel Phillips
2002-10-18 2:04 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2002-10-17 17:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 8:15 ` [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7 Chris Wright
2002-09-19 20:10 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-20 1:22 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20 4:32 ` Greg KH
2002-09-20 9:25 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21 7:38 ` Kevin O'Connor
2002-09-22 23:31 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 23:44 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20 9:32 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-21 4:17 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21 17:09 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-23 0:20 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-24 10:16 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-24 14:54 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 0:46 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25 5:50 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 11:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25 12:53 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 21:28 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-26 1:49 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-26 23:38 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-27 1:11 ` Scott Murray
2002-09-27 1:34 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-28 0:48 ` David Lang
2002-10-15 4:53 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] <20021015194545.GC15864@kroah.com>
[not found] ` <20021015.124502.130514745.davem@redhat.com>
[not found] ` <20021015201209.GE15864@kroah.com>
[not found] ` <20021015.131037.96602290.davem@redhat.com>
[not found] ` <20021015202828.GG15864@kroah.com>
2002-10-16 0:07 ` [RFC] change format of LSM hooks Greg KH
2002-10-16 0:03 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-16 8:15 ` Greg KH
2002-10-16 18:59 ` Greg KH
2002-10-16 16:33 ` joe perches
2002-10-16 23:46 ` Greg KH
2002-10-16 23:56 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-16 19:07 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 1:41 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 3:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-17 13:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 16:55 ` Greg KH
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