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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] change format of LSM hooks
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:04:15 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021018022503.1E5F52C24A@lists.samba.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:20:10 +0200." <E182EJl-0004Rd-00@starship>

In message <E182EJl-0004Rd-00@starship> you write:
> > The current spinlock is horrible.
> 
> Is it?  You must be thinking about much more intensive use of the spinlock as
> with per-op calls as opposed to per-attach (mount).  I'd planned to make the 
> spinlocks per-module, but your per-cpu code looks just fine.

Actually, after I thought about it harder, I was inspired by your
point that the race can be prevented with a spinlock (as currently
done).  I spent last night writing a new solution to this (I'm testing
it now), which works as follows:

/* We only need protection against local interrupts. */
#ifndef __HAVE_ARCH_LOCAL_INC
#define local_inc(x) atomic_inc(x)
#define local_dec(x) atomic_dec(x)
#endif

static inline int try_module_get(struct module *module)
{
	int ret = 1;

	if (module) {
		unsigned int cpu = get_cpu();
		if (likely(module->live))
			local_inc(&module->ref[cpu]);
		else
			ret = 0;
		put_cpu();
	}
	return ret;
}

static inline void module_put(struct module *module)
{
	if (module) {
		unsigned int cpu = get_cpu();
		local_dec(&module->ref[cpu]);
		/* Maybe they're waiting for us to drop reference? */
		if (unlikely(!module->live))
			wake_up_process(module->waiter);
		put_cpu();
	}
}

Now, these are both short, sweet, and cache-local.  The unload stage
becomes harder.  We stop all the reference counts by scheduling a
thread on every cpu, then having them all do a local_irq_disable.
This means we know that the refcounts won't change, and we can safely
sum them.  If they're zero (or the non-block flag isn't set), we set
"module->live" to false and release the CPUs.

Now, in the sleeping case, I sleep uninterruptible, but drop the
module mutex first, so other module stuff can happen at the same time.

This completely prevents the spurious unload race.

> > I don't know of any code which does this now, but it is at least a
> > theoretical problem.
> 
> To resolve this, start the module in can-increment state, do the module 
> initialization, register the notifiers, and finally register the interface.
> In other words, the module never needs to be in can't-increment state at 
> initialization.  (The module writer must ensure they have the correct, 
> raceless initial state of whatever the notifiers are notifying about, which 
> strikes me as a little tricky in itself.)

Yes, this basically means two-state init for modules, which I shy
clear of in general.  But if any modules care, they can do this
themselves, though, by setting "THIS_MODULE.live = 1;" to activate
the notifiers during their init routine.

Basically, with the other one solved, I'm happy to place this on the
shoulders of any module which really cares.

> > IMHO, the benifits of having it in-kernel outweigh the slight extra
> > size.
> 
> I'll cast my vote for your in-kernel linker, in the mistaken belief that 
> democracy has anything to do with the question.  Does this make progress 
> towards eliminating one of create_module or init_module?

Yes, query_module, create_module and /proc/ksyms all gone.

> > > > ...The second is the "die-mother-fucker-die"
> 
> I'd use this feature in filesystem development, regardless of the risks, 
> since I regularly do worse things to the kernel anyway.  But don't you think 
> the rmmod parameter should be different for the ask-nicely vs the 
> shoot-in-the-head flavor?  How about -f -f or -F for the latter?

Yes, currently:
	rusty@mingo:~$ /sbin/rmmod       
	Usage: /sbin/rmmod [--wait|-f] <modulename>
	  The --wait option begins a module removal even if it is used
	  and will stop new users from accessing the module (so it
	  should eventually fall to zero).
	  The -f option forces a module unload, and may crash your
	  machine.  This requires the Forced Module Removal option
	  when the kernel was compiled.

Cheers,
Rusty.
--
  Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-18  2:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-18  2:05 [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7 Rusty Russell
2002-09-18 22:59 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19  1:00   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19  2:19     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-19  3:57       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 10:44     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 12:51       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 13:54         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 18:38           ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 18:58             ` Alan Cox
2002-09-19 20:11               ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 20:42                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-30 15:32                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-03 18:53                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-04  0:10                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15  3:25                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-15 15:28                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15 23:53                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16  2:59                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16  6:11                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16 17:33                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 22:48                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17  1:57                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-17  7:41                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 14:49                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-17 14:56                                     ` your mail Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-18  2:47                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-18 21:50                                         ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-17 17:20                                     ` [RFC] change format of LSM hooks Daniel Phillips
2002-10-18  2:04                                       ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2002-10-17 17:25                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16  8:15                         ` [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7 Chris Wright
2002-09-19 20:10             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-20  1:22             ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20  4:32               ` Greg KH
2002-09-20  9:25                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21  7:38               ` Kevin O'Connor
2002-09-22 23:31                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 23:44           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20  9:32             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-21  4:17               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21 17:09                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-23  0:20                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-24 10:16                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-24 14:54                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25  0:46                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25  5:50                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 11:36                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25 12:53                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 21:28                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-26  1:49                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-26 23:38                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-27  1:11                                       ` Scott Murray
2002-09-27  1:34                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-28  0:48                                           ` David Lang
2002-10-15  4:53                                       ` Rusty Russell
     [not found] <20021015194545.GC15864@kroah.com>
     [not found] ` <20021015.124502.130514745.davem@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <20021015201209.GE15864@kroah.com>
     [not found]     ` <20021015.131037.96602290.davem@redhat.com>
     [not found]       ` <20021015202828.GG15864@kroah.com>
2002-10-16  0:07         ` [RFC] change format of LSM hooks Greg KH
2002-10-16  0:03           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-16  8:15           ` Greg KH
2002-10-16 18:59             ` Greg KH
2002-10-16 16:33               ` joe perches
2002-10-16 23:46                 ` Greg KH
2002-10-16 23:56                   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-16 19:07               ` Greg KH
2002-10-17  1:41           ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17  3:33             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-17 13:21           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 16:55             ` Greg KH

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