From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: kaos@ocs.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:20:46 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020923002313.E42122C0D7@lists.samba.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:09:19 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209211411010.338-100000@serv>
In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209211411010.338-100000@serv> you write:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Rusty Russell wrote:
>
> > initfn()
> > {
> > register_notifier(some_notifier); /* Entry point one */
> > if (register_filesystem(some_notifier2) != 0) {
> > unregister_notifier(some_notifier); /* This fails! */
> > return -EBUSY;
> > }
> >
> > How does your solution of failing the unregister_notifier in this case
> > stop the race? I probably missed something here?
>
> You shouldn't do any cleanup in the init function and do it instead in
> the exit function. That's the reason why I said earlier that calling exit
> even after a failed init is not just an implementation detail. So your
> functions would look like this:
Yeah, I realized this after I sent the mail. Sorry. The problem is
one level higher in your implementation:
error = start_module(mod);
if (error)
exit_module(mod);
If the exit fails here (because the module is now in use, so the
unregister_notifier() fails, you need to loop and yield, because you
have no way of saying "wake me when you can be unloaded".
> int initfn()
> {
> int err;
>
> err = register_notifier(&some_notifier);
> if (err)
> return err;
> err = register_filesystem(&some_notifier2);
> return err;
> }
OK, so we fail the some_notifier2 here, and call exitfn:
> int exitfn()
> {
> int err;
>
> err = unregister_filesystem(&some_notifier2);
> if (err)
> return err;
This will trigger (err == -ENOENT) I assume? I think you really need:
int exitfn()
{
int busy;
busy = (unregister_filesystem(&some_notifier2) == -EBUSY
|| unregister_filesystem(&some_notifier) == -EBUSY);
if (busy)
return -EBUSY;
return 0;
}
> If you insist on doing the synchronize call in the module code, then you
> need two stages. On the other you also could simply do this in the driver
> code:
>
> if (hook) {
> hook = NULL;
> synchronize();
> }
> ...
Hmm, at least if we force the module author to provide two functions,
they don't have to have a clear understanding of the subtleties. I
know, I'm a coward.
> > > Even your bigref is still overkill. When packets come in, you already hav
e
> > > to take _some_ lock, under the protection of this lock you can implement
> > > cheap, simple, portable and cache friendly counts, which can be used for
> > > synchronization.
> >
> > No: networking uses the network brlock for exactly this reason 8(
>
> It can't be that difficult. After you removed the hooks you only have to
> wait for some time and I can't believe it's that difficult to calculate
> the needed time. Using the number of incoming packets is one possibility,
> the number of network interrupts should be another way.
> You could even temporarily shutdown all network interfaces, if it's really
> that difficult.
Yes, you can actually unregister all your hooks and then take the
write brlock for a moment (this is what I do in the ip_conntrack
code). Let me think, in this case, functions would look like. Please
see if my understanding is correct:
static struct proc_dir_entry *proc;
int start_ip_conntrack(void)
{
ret = ip_conntrack_init();
if (ret < 0)
return ret;
proc = proc_net_create("ip_conntrack",0,list_conntracks);
if (!proc)
return -EBUSY;
ret = nf_register_hook(&ip_conntrack_in_ops);
if (ret < 0)
return ret;
ret = nf_register_hook(&ip_conntrack_local_out_ops);
if (ret < 0)
return ret;
ret = nf_register_hook(&ip_conntrack_out_ops);
if (ret < 0)
return ret;
ret = nf_register_hook(&ip_conntrack_local_in_ops);
return ret;
}
I'm not clear on the exact desired semantics of stop and exit? When
should stop() fail?
int stop_ip_conntrack(void)
{
nf_unregister_hook(&ip_conntrack_in_ops);
nf_unregister_hook(&ip_conntrack_local_out_ops);
nf_unregister_hook(&ip_conntrack_out_ops);
nf_unregister_hook(&ip_conntrack_local_in_ops);
/* Force synchronization */
br_write_lock_irq(BR_NETPROTO_LOCK);
br_write_unlock_irq(BR_NETPROTO_LOCK);
if (proc_net_destroy(proc) == -EBUSY)
return -EBUSY;
return 0;
}
Now, we put callback pointers inside packets, so we need to keep a
count of how many of those we have (packet_count):
int exit_ip_conntrack(void)
{
if (!bigref_is_zero(&packet_count))
return -EBUSY;
/* Woohoo! We're free, clean up! */
ip_conntrack_cleanup();
return 0;
}
int usecount_ip_conntrack(void)
{
return atomic_read(&proc->use)
+ bigref_approx_val(&packet_count);
}
Am I using this interface correctly? Since netfilter hooks can't
sleep, nf_register_hook can't be busy (ie. can't fail for that
reason). I added a -EBUSY return to proc_net_destroy().
> > > - A call to exit does in any case start the removal of the module, that
> > > means it starts removing interface (and which won't get reinstalled).
> > > If there is still any user, exit will fail, you can try it later again
> > > after you killed that user.
> >
> > If the exit fails and you fail the rmmod, you need to reinit the
> > module. Otherwise noone can use it, but it cannot be replaced (say
> > it's holding some io region or other resource).
>
> Why would I want to reinit the module after a failed exit? As long as
But, this is what you seem to do in try_unregister_module:
if (test_bit(MOD_INITIALIZED, &mod->flags)) {
res = exit_module(mod);
if (res) {
start_module(mod);
goto out;
}
}
> > If you want to wait, that may be OK, but if you want to abort the
> > unload, the module needs to give you a *third* function, and that's
> > where my "too much work for every module author" line gets crossed 8(
>
> What do you mean?
I thought you might want a "restart()" function, but I don't think you
do.
> > > Anyway, almost any access to a driver goes through the filesystem and
> > > there it's a well known problem of unlinked but still open files. Driver
> > > access is pretty much the same problem to which you can apply the same
> > > well known solutions.
> >
> > Not sure what you mean here.
>
> You start using drivers like files by opening them, while it's open it can
> be removed (made unreachable), but only when the last user is gone can the
> resources be released. Treat a driver like a file (or maybe a complete
> file system) and you can use a lot of Al-proof infrastructure for free.
Oh, I see what you are saying. Yes, this is two-stage delete. It's
very common in the networking code too, for similar reasons.
Rusty.
--
Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-09-23 0:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-09-18 2:05 Rusty Russell
2002-09-18 22:59 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 1:00 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 2:19 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-19 3:57 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 10:44 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 12:51 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 13:54 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-19 18:38 ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 18:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-19 20:11 ` Greg KH
2002-09-19 20:42 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-30 15:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-03 18:53 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-04 0:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15 3:25 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-15 15:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-15 23:53 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16 2:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 6:11 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-16 17:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 22:48 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 1:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-17 7:41 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 14:49 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-17 14:56 ` your mail Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-18 2:47 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-18 21:50 ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-10-17 17:20 ` [RFC] change format of LSM hooks Daniel Phillips
2002-10-18 2:04 ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-17 17:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-16 8:15 ` [PATCH] In-kernel module loader 1/7 Chris Wright
2002-09-19 20:10 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-20 1:22 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20 4:32 ` Greg KH
2002-09-20 9:25 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21 7:38 ` Kevin O'Connor
2002-09-22 23:31 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-19 23:44 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20 9:32 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-21 4:17 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-21 17:09 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-23 0:20 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2002-09-24 10:16 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-24 14:54 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 0:46 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25 5:50 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 11:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-25 12:53 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-25 21:28 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-26 1:49 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-26 23:38 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-27 1:11 ` Scott Murray
2002-09-27 1:34 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-28 0:48 ` David Lang
2002-10-15 4:53 ` Rusty Russell
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