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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
Cc: "Adam J. Richter" <adam@yggdrasil.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] generic device DMA implementation
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:54:41 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021205235441.GP1500@zax.zax> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200212051503.gB5F3Q601998@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:03:24AM -0600, James Bottomley wrote:
> david@gibson.dropbear.id.au said:
> > But if you have the sync points, you don't need a special allocater
> > for the memory at all - any old RAM will do.  So why not just use
> > kmalloc() to get it. 
> 
> Because with kmalloc, you have to be aware of platform
> implementations.  Most notably that cache flush/invalidate
> instructions only operate at the level of certain block of memory
> (called the cache line width).  If kmalloc returns less than a cache
> line width you have the potential for severe cockups because of the
> possibility of interfering cache operations on adjacent kmalloc
> regions that share the same cache line.

Having debugged a stack corruption problem when attempting to use USB
on a PPC 4xx machine, which was due to improperly aligned DMA buffers,
I am well aware of this issue.

> the dma_alloc... function guarantees to avoid this for you by passing the 
> allocation to the platform layer which knows the cache characteristics and 
> requirements for the machine (and dma controller) you're using.

Ok - now I begin to see the point of this: I was being misled by the
emphasis on a preference for consistent allocation and the original
"alloc_consistent" name you suggested.  When consistent memory isn't
strictly required it's as likely as not that it won't be preferred
either.

Given this, and Miles example, I can see the point of a DMA mallocater
that applies DMA constraints that are not to do with consistency.
Then consistency could also be specified, but that's a separate issue.

So, to remove the misleading emphasis on the point of the allocated
being consistent memory (your name change was a start, this goes
further), I'd prefer to see something like:

void *dma_malloc(struct device *bus, unsigned long size, int flags,
		 dma_addr_t *dma_addr);

Which returns virtual and DMA pointers for a chunk of memory
satisfying any DMA conditions for the specified bus.  Then if flags
includes DMA_CONSISTENT (or some such) the memory will be allocated
consistent in addition to those constraints.

If DMA_CONSISTENT is not specified, the memory might be consistent,
and there would be a preference for consistent only on platforms where
consistent memory is actually preferable (I haven't yet heard of one).

-- 
David Gibson			| For every complex problem there is a
david@gibson.dropbear.id.au	| solution which is simple, neat and
				| wrong.
http://www.ozlabs.org/people/dgibson

  reply	other threads:[~2002-12-06  0:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-04 17:47 James Bottomley
2002-12-04 18:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-04 19:36   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-04 21:19 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:21 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:42   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:44     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:46   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  2:31     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  3:06       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:02       ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:15     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:16       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-05 15:12       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  0:47 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  0:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  1:44   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  2:38     ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  3:13       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:05         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 15:03           ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 23:54             ` David Gibson [this message]
2002-12-05  3:17       ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  6:06         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  6:43           ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 23:44             ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  2:23               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  3:41       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  6:04         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 16:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 23:59             ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:08   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:35     ` Russell King
2002-12-05 15:24       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06  0:01     ` David Gibson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-18  3:01 [RFT][PATCH] " James Bottomley
2002-12-18  3:13 ` David Mosberger
2002-12-28 18:14 ` Russell King
2002-12-28 18:19   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-07 14:37 [RFC] " Adam J. Richter
2002-12-07  4:12 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:17 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:29   ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:48     ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:49       ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-06 17:39 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 18:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 17:07 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:48 James Bottomley
2002-12-06 16:19 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:17 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:31     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:40       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:42         ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 21:04           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-12-07 10:19       ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 18:36   ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:38     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06  7:41 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 15:50 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06  7:14 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 17:48   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-07  9:56   ` David Gibson
2002-12-07  9:45 ` David Gibson
2002-12-07 11:26   ` Russell King
2002-12-08  5:28     ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  6:15 David Brownell
2002-12-06  2:08 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06  2:53 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  4:03   ` David S. Miller
2002-12-05 20:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 17:49 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-06  0:08 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 12:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 12:44 ` Russell King
2002-12-05 12:13 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 11:57 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06  0:06 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  5:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  3:02 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  6:15 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  1:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  2:40 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  2:49   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  6:12     ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  0:43 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  0:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  2:02 ` James Bottomley
2002-11-09  4:51 [parisc-linux] Untested port of parisc_device to generic device interface Adam J. Richter
2002-11-09  5:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-09  6:03   ` Greg KH
2002-11-09 15:33     ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13  6:13       ` Greg KH
2002-11-13  7:46         ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13  7:52           ` Greg KH
2002-11-13  8:02             ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13  8:10               ` Greg KH
2002-11-13  8:26                 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13  8:25                   ` Greg KH
2002-11-13  9:05                     ` Miles Bader
     [not found]               ` <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-11-13 20:13                 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:21                   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 20:37                     ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 11:59             ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2002-11-13 12:36               ` Marc Zyngier
2002-11-13 16:32             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2002-11-13 17:23               ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 20:33                 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:44                   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 21:42                     ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:12             ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-09  7:58   ` Marc Zyngier
2002-11-09 18:04 ` Grant Grundler

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