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From: "Adam J. Richter" <adam@yggdrasil.com>
To: david@gibson.dropbear.id.au
Cc: davem@redhat.com, James.Bottomley@steeleye.com,
	jgarzik@pobox.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] generic device DMA implementation
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:08:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200212060208.SAA05756@adam.yggdrasil.com> (raw)

David Gibson wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 03:57:53AM -0800, Adam J. Richter wrote:
>> David Gibson wrote:
>> >Since, with James's approach you'd need a dma sync function (which
>> >might compile to NOP) in pretty much the same places you'd need
>> >map/sync calls, I don't see that it does make the source noticeably
>> >simpler.
>> 
>>         Because then you don't have to have a branch for
>> case where the platform *does* support consistent memory.

>Sorry, you're going to have to explain where this extra branch is, I
>don't see it.

	In linux-2.5.50/drivers/net/lasi_82596.c, the macros
CHECK_{WBACK,INV,WBACK_INV} have definitions like:

#define  CHECK_WBACK(addr,len) \
	do { if (!dma_consistent) dma_cache_wback((unsigned long)addr,len); } while (0)

	These macros are even used in IO paths like i596_rx().  The
"if()" statement in each of these macros is the extra branch that
disappears on most architectures under James's proposal.

[...]
>What performance advantages of consistent memory?  Can you name any
>non-fully-consistent platform where consistent memory is preferable
>when it is not strictly required?  For, all the non-consistent
>platforms I'm aware of getting consistent memory means disabling the
>cache and therefore is to be avoided wherever it can be.

	I believe that the cache synchronization operations for
nonconsistent memory are often expensive enough so that consistent
memory is faster on many platforms for small reads and writes, such as
dealing with control and status fields and hardware DMA lists.  For
example, pci_sync_single is 55 lines of C code in
linux-2.5.50/arch/sparc64/kernel/pci_iommu.c.

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             reply	other threads:[~2002-12-06  2:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-06  2:08 Adam J. Richter [this message]
2002-12-06  2:53 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  4:03   ` David S. Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-07 14:37 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-07  4:12 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:17 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:29   ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:48     ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:49       ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-06 17:39 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 18:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 17:07 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:48 James Bottomley
2002-12-06 16:19 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:17 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:31     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:40       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:42         ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 21:04           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-12-07 10:19       ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 18:36   ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:38     ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06  7:41 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 15:50 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06  7:14 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 17:48   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-07  9:56   ` David Gibson
2002-12-07  9:45 ` David Gibson
2002-12-07 11:26   ` Russell King
2002-12-08  5:28     ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  6:15 David Brownell
2002-12-05 20:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 17:49 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-06  0:08 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 12:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 12:44 ` Russell King
2002-12-05 12:13 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 11:57 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06  0:06 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  5:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  3:02 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  6:15 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  1:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  2:40 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  2:49   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  6:12     ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  0:43 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05  0:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  2:02 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-04 17:47 James Bottomley
2002-12-04 18:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-04 19:36   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-04 21:19 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:21 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:42   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:44     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:46   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  2:31     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  3:06       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:02       ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:15     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:16       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-05 15:12       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  0:47 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  0:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  1:44   ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  2:38     ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  3:13       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05  5:05         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 15:03           ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 23:54             ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  3:17       ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  6:06         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05  6:43           ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 23:44             ` David Gibson
2002-12-06  2:23               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05  3:41       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05  6:04         ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 16:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 23:59             ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:08   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:35     ` Russell King
2002-12-05 15:24       ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06  0:01     ` David Gibson

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