From: Miles Bader <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
"Adam J. Richter" <adam@yggdrasil.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] generic device DMA implementation
Date: 05 Dec 2002 15:43:58 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <buovg29klsh.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021205060606.GG1500@zax.zax>
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> writes:
> > As I mentioned in my previous message, one of my platforms is like that
> > memory, which is only 2 megabytes in size.
>
> Ok, that starts to make sense then (what platform is it,
> incidentally). Is using consistent memory actually faster than doing
> the cache flushes expliticly? Much?
It's an embedded evaluation board (Midas `RTE-MOTHER-A' and
`RTE-V850E-MA1-CB').
The thing is there _is_ no cache on this machine (it's very slow), so
cache-consistency is actually not an issue (and the cache-flushing
macros won't help me at all).
PCI devices are several busses removed from the CPU, and they only have
this one 2MB area in common. So on this machine, PCI devices can _only_
use consistent memory.
When a driver uses the non-consistent interfaces, then:
* pci_map_single allocates a `shadow area' of consistent memory and
pci_unmap_single deallocates it
* pci_dma_sync_... just does a memcpy to/from the `shadow' consistent
memory from/to the drivers kalloc'd block (in principle I think this
is incorrect, because it uses the `dir' parameter to determine the
direction to copy, but it works in practice)
So you can see that for this platform, it would be better if drivers
could _always_ use alloc_consistent, but many don't.
Yes this is a wierd and frustrating design, but I think it does credit
to the linux PCI layer that I could get it work at all, without
modifying any drivers! I guess my main goal in this discussion is to
ensure that remains the case...
-Miles
--
.Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-12-05 6:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-12-04 17:47 James Bottomley
2002-12-04 18:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-04 19:36 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-04 21:19 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:21 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 5:44 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:46 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 2:31 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 3:06 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 5:02 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-05 15:12 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 0:47 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 0:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 1:44 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 2:38 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 3:13 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 5:05 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 15:03 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 23:54 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 3:17 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 6:06 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 6:43 ` Miles Bader [this message]
2002-12-05 23:44 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 2:23 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 3:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 6:04 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 16:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 23:59 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:35 ` Russell King
2002-12-05 15:24 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 0:01 ` David Gibson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-18 3:01 [RFT][PATCH] " James Bottomley
2002-12-18 3:13 ` David Mosberger
2002-12-28 18:14 ` Russell King
2002-12-28 18:19 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-07 14:37 [RFC] " Adam J. Richter
2002-12-07 4:12 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:17 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:49 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-06 17:39 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 18:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 17:07 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:48 James Bottomley
2002-12-06 16:19 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:17 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:29 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:31 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:40 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:42 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 21:04 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-12-07 10:19 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 18:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 7:41 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 15:50 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 7:14 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 17:48 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-07 9:56 ` David Gibson
2002-12-07 9:45 ` David Gibson
2002-12-07 11:26 ` Russell King
2002-12-08 5:28 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 6:15 David Brownell
2002-12-06 2:08 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 2:53 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 4:03 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-05 20:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 17:49 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-06 0:08 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 12:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 12:44 ` Russell King
2002-12-05 12:13 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 11:57 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 0:06 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 5:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 3:02 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 6:15 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 1:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 2:40 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 2:49 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 6:12 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 0:43 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 0:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 2:02 ` James Bottomley
2002-11-09 4:51 [parisc-linux] Untested port of parisc_device to generic device interface Adam J. Richter
2002-11-09 5:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-09 6:03 ` Greg KH
2002-11-09 15:33 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 6:13 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 7:46 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13 7:52 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 8:02 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13 8:10 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 8:26 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13 8:25 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 9:05 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-11-13 20:13 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:21 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 20:37 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 11:59 ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2002-11-13 12:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2002-11-13 16:32 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2002-11-13 17:23 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 20:33 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:44 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 21:42 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:12 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-09 7:58 ` Marc Zyngier
2002-11-09 18:04 ` Grant Grundler
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