From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
To: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
debian-legal@lists.debian.org, debian-kernel@lists.debian.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:23:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050408112329.GA2292@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1112944920.11027.13.camel@silicium.ccc.cea.fr>
On Fri, 8 April 2005 09:22:00 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 07 avril 2005 à 23:07 +0200, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
>
> > As a contrast, read the discussion between Christoph and Arjan in a part
> > of this thread how to move firmware out of kernel drivers without
> > problems for the users. This might not happen today, but it's better for
> > the users.
>
> Some Debian developers have been writing such patches so that we can
> still run Linux on this hardware, long before the topic was raised on
> the LKML.
I can point you to dozens of patches I have written that were never
merged. Not because Linus is a d*ckhead (he's not), but because they
were not good enough then and I didn't spend the time to improve them,
so far.
"Someone's written some patches" is a long way from "we have a good
solution".
Jörn
--
You cannot suppose that Moliere ever troubled himself to be original in the
matter of ideas. You cannot suppose that the stories he tells in his plays
have never been told before. They were culled, as you very well know.
-- Andre-Louis Moreau in Scarabouche
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-04-08 11:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 214+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-04-04 10:09 Sven Luther
2005-04-04 10:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-04 10:59 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 7:17 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 11:27 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 13:26 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-04 14:16 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 17:51 ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 18:21 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:12 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-04 19:24 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:36 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 18:27 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:17 ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:29 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 20:23 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 21:16 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-04 21:19 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 8:19 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05 8:32 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 8:49 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05 9:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05 9:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 9:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05 9:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 9:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05 10:42 ` Andres Salomon
2005-04-05 9:46 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 12:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 12:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-06 19:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07 9:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07 10:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-07 11:27 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 11:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07 18:42 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 3:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-08 6:41 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 9:30 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05 9:36 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 15:21 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 21:37 ` Don Armstrong
2005-04-05 4:23 ` [PATCH 00/04] Load keyspan firmware with hotplug Jan Harkes
2005-04-05 4:26 ` [PATCH 01/04] " Jan Harkes
2005-04-05 4:27 ` [PATCH 02/04] " Jan Harkes
2005-04-05 4:28 ` [PATCH 03/04] " Jan Harkes
2005-04-05 4:51 ` [PATCH 00/04] " Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-05 8:32 ` Kay Sievers
2005-04-05 11:39 ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-05 9:22 ` Marcel Holtmann
2005-04-05 11:45 ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-05 14:36 ` Marcel Holtmann
2005-04-05 15:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-05 15:37 ` Marcel Holtmann
2005-04-05 15:31 ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-05 16:46 ` Marcel Holtmann
2005-04-05 16:20 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-05 5:36 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 18:39 ` non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice Matthew Wilcox
2005-04-04 19:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 20:27 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 21:24 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:58 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 9:33 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 1:05 ` Alan Cox
2005-04-07 7:28 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 7:25 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 8:04 ` David Schmitt
2005-04-07 8:17 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07 8:32 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-07 8:46 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07 8:26 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-07 20:16 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-07 23:20 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08 3:55 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 7:41 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 12:30 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-04 19:05 ` Marco d'Itri
2005-04-04 19:14 ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-05 14:05 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 15:39 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 21:07 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 7:22 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 11:23 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2005-04-08 17:34 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 17:42 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 18:01 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 18:16 ` Rich Walker
2005-04-08 18:42 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-10 9:24 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-04-11 20:55 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09 0:31 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09 14:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-09 20:31 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 11:53 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:41 ` Sven Luther
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2005-04-05 12:03 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 12:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 14:02 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 17:30 ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-05 13:57 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 14:53 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 20:56 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-07 21:05 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 0:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 6:54 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 17:20 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] <ea-O2D.A.6pD.MWoUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 14:37 ` Humberto Massa
[not found] <lLj-vC.A.92G.w4pUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 15:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 15:50 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 17:53 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 18:34 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:50 ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-05 18:56 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06 0:10 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-06 7:34 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06 7:46 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 7:47 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 19:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 19:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 19:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 20:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 20:16 ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-05 20:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 21:13 ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-06 9:04 ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-06 20:15 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-08 7:44 ` Sven Luther
[not found] <UwJpRC.A.8E.5erUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 16:53 ` Humberto Massa
[not found] <t1ufbC.A.C6H.38tUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 19:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-06 20:36 ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-07 12:15 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 2:10 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08 3:05 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08 3:56 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08 7:57 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 20:48 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-09 11:19 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-10 3:07 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-10 4:20 ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-10 20:18 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 1:34 ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-11 2:40 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 20:17 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-11 11:43 ` Anthony DeRobertis
2005-04-11 0:26 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-11 2:40 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08 4:05 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 7:54 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 7:51 ` Sven Luther
[not found] <L0f93D.A.68G.D2OVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 12:29 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 13:03 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-07 13:30 ` John Stoffel
2005-04-07 13:34 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-04-07 14:15 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 8:06 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 9:46 ` Ralph Corderoy
[not found] <vVUko.A.NkD.kNTVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 14:30 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 14:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-04-07 15:01 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 15:07 ` Oliver Neukum
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2005-04-08 12:08 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 12:20 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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2005-04-11 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-11 11:51 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-11 11:54 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-11 13:36 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 19:31 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 19:46 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 20:29 ` Raul Miller
[not found] <dpBgeB.A.8M.o1nWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 13:44 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-11 16:12 Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 16:25 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-11 20:54 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 21:07 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 0:40 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 5:40 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 16:14 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 18:45 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-13 2:23 ` Zan Lynx
2005-04-13 14:53 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-13 19:47 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-14 18:03 ` Marco Colombo
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2005-04-12 9:41 ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-04-12 16:44 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 17:50 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 19:05 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:37 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-14 1:54 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 5:13 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 18:53 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 19:15 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 20:00 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 22:45 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-13 5:46 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13 6:28 ` Sean Kellogg
2005-04-13 13:55 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13 9:17 ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-04-12 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-12 19:01 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:31 ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-12 17:29 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-12 20:23 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 1:37 ` David Schwartz
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2005-04-14 12:18 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 17:44 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 18:43 ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-14 18:26 ` Humberto Massa
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