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From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <debian-legal@lists.debian.org>,
	<linux-acenic@sunsite.dk>
Subject: RE: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:05:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKIEAEDAAB.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87is2ydnmk.fsf@kreon.lan.henning.makholm.net>


> > No-one is saying that the linker "merely aggregates" object
> > code for the driver; what *is* being said is: in the case of
> > firmware, especially if the firmware is neither a derivative
> > work on the kernel (see above) nor the firmware includes part
> > of the kernel (duh), it is *fairly* *safe* to consider the
> > intermixing of firmware bytes with kernel binary image bytes
> > in an ELF object file as mere aggregation.

> No, it is completely wrong to say that the object file is merely an
> aggregation. The two components are being coupled much more tightly
> than in the situation that the GPL discribes as "mere aggregation".

        Would you maintain this position even if the firmware is identical
across operating systems and the Linux driver is identical across different
firmware builds for different hardware implementations?

        Say, for example, Intel comes out with a new super-smart and
sophisticated network card. They also offer firmware that makes it look just
like an NE2000. They don't create this firmware for Linux, they create it
for any set of operating systems that don't have specific drivers for this
card.

        Similarly, the NE2000 driver wasn't specifically designed to use
this firmware. Both the firmware and the driver were independently developed
to implement the same de facto standard.

        Now, someone combines the firmware and the driver into a package
that checks what card you are using, and if it has the appropriate firmware
to make the card work with the driver, uploads it.

        Note that the issue is not whether the GPL describes this as "mere
aggregation" because the GPL doesn't get to set its own scope. The issue is
whether the resulting binary is a single work (that is derivative of the
GPL'd driver) or whether it's two works with a license boundary between
them.

        It would not be obviously unreasonable to argue that the NE2000 API
constitutes a license boundary between the two works, each of which stays on
its own side of that API.

        Lacking clear court guidance, I see it as a threshold issue. One
primary issue (I think) is to what extent that firmware and the driver have
been customized for each other. A work that is carefully designed to mesh
tightly with another work is analogous to a sequel, which is a derivative
work.

        I think we have a real problem, however, in cases where the source
file that holds only the firmware data contains a GPL notice.

        DS



  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-08  3:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2005-04-07 12:15 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08  2:10   ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  3:05     ` David Schwartz [this message]
2005-04-08  3:56       ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  7:57         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 20:48         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-09 11:19           ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-10  3:07             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-10  4:20               ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-10 20:18                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11  1:34                   ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-11  2:40                     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 20:17                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-11 11:43                 ` Anthony DeRobertis
2005-04-11  0:26               ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-11  2:40                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  4:05       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:54     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  7:51   ` Sven Luther
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2005-04-14 18:26 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-14 12:18 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 17:44   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 18:43     ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-12 20:23 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14  1:37   ` David Schwartz
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2005-04-12 17:29 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-12 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-12 19:01   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:31     ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-12  9:41   ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-04-12 16:44     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 17:50       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 19:05         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:37           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-14  1:54             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14  5:13               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 18:53       ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 19:15         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 20:00           ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 22:45             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-13  5:46               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  6:28                 ` Sean Kellogg
2005-04-13 13:55                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  9:17               ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-11 16:12 Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 16:25 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-11 20:54   ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 21:07     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12  0:40       ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12  5:40         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 16:14           ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 18:45             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-13  2:23               ` Zan Lynx
2005-04-13 14:53               ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-13 19:47                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-14 18:03                   ` Marco Colombo
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2005-04-11 13:44 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-11 11:54 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-11 13:36   ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 19:31   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 19:46     ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 20:29     ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-11 11:51 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-11 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-08 12:08 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 12:20   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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2005-04-07 14:30 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 14:53   ` Oliver Neukum
2005-04-07 15:01     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 15:07       ` Oliver Neukum
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2005-04-07 12:29 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 13:03   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-07 13:30     ` John Stoffel
2005-04-07 13:34     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-04-07 14:15     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08  8:06       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  9:46   ` Ralph Corderoy
     [not found] <t1ufbC.A.C6H.38tUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 19:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-06 20:36   ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-05 16:53 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-05 15:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 15:50   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 17:53     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:17       ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 18:34         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:50       ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-05 18:56         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  0:10           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-06  7:34             ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  7:46               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  7:47         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 19:28       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 19:40         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 19:50           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 20:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 20:16         ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-05 20:41           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 21:13             ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-06  9:04         ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-06 20:15         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-08  7:44     ` Sven Luther
     [not found] <ea-O2D.A.6pD.MWoUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 14:37 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <h-GOHD.A.KL.s2aUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 12:03 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 12:16   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 14:02     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 17:30       ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-05 13:57   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 14:53     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 20:56     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-07 21:05       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  0:31         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  6:54           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 17:20             ` Adrian Bunk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-04 10:09 Sven Luther
2005-04-04 10:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-04 10:59   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  7:17     ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 11:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 13:26 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-04 14:16   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 17:51     ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 18:21       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:12         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-04 19:24           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:36           ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 18:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:17         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:29           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:58             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 20:23               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 21:16                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:55             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-04 21:19               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:19                 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  8:32                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:49                     ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:32                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:36                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:39                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05 10:42                                 ` Andres Salomon
2005-04-05  9:46                               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 12:09                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 12:14                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-06 19:22                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07  9:34                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07 10:28                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-07 11:27                             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 11:46                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07 18:42                                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  3:06                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-08  6:41                                     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:30                         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:36                           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 15:21                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 21:37                     ` Don Armstrong
2005-04-04 18:39       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-04-04 19:55         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 20:27           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:47             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 21:24               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:58                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:33               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  1:05               ` Alan Cox
2005-04-07  7:28               ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  7:25         ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  8:04           ` David Schmitt
2005-04-07  8:17             ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:32               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-07  8:46                 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:26           ` David Schwartz
2005-04-07 20:16             ` Raul Miller
2005-04-07 23:20               ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  3:55                 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:41                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 12:30                     ` Raul Miller
2005-04-04 19:05       ` Marco d'Itri
2005-04-04 19:14         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:32         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-05 14:05           ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 15:39             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 21:07             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  7:22               ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 11:23                 ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-08 17:34                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 17:42                   ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 18:01                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 18:16                       ` Rich Walker
2005-04-08 18:42                       ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-10  9:24                         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-04-11 20:55                           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09  0:31                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09 14:38                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-09 20:31                       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 11:53               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:41         ` Sven Luther

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