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From: Raul Miller <moth@debian.org>
To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:31:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050412173107.B24721@links.magenta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKMENFDBAB.davids@webmaster.com>; from davids@webmaster.com on Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:01:15PM -0700

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:01:15PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:
>	Would you agree that compiling and linking a program that uses
> a library creates a derivative work of that library?

No, I would not.

Creating a derivative work requires creativity, and a linker is not
creative.

The copyright issues for the linked program are the copyright issues
for the unlinked program.

Of course, you might have evidence in the form of a linked program where
you don't have evidence in the form of an unlinked program.  But that's
a practical issue, not a copyright issue.

> And doesn't first sale give you the right to normal use of a work you
> have legally acquired?

The first sale doctrine (basically, 17 USC 109) doesn't really say that.

> 	There are many ways you can lawfully create a derivative work without
> explicit permission of the copyright holder.   One clear case is when you
> lawfully possess the work, there is no EULA or shrink-wrap agreement, and
> you need to produce a derivative work to use the work in the ordinary
> fashion.

I don't think the words you're using mean what you think they mean.

I'm just going to quote part of 17 USC 106 at you.

"... the owner of copyright ... has the exclusive rights to ...
prepare derivative works ...".

Go look it up yourself if you think the text I've omitted makes it mean
something different.

-- 
Raul

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-12 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <d03KdB.A.m0F.3RtWCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-12 19:01   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:31     ` Raul Miller [this message]
     [not found] <9rcYQC.A.LsH.E_qXCB@murphy>
2005-04-14 18:26 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <JMgucB.A.0PB.b3cXCB@murphy>
2005-04-14 12:18 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 17:44   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 18:43     ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <_WpYEC.A.JPD.F9BXCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 20:23 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14  1:37   ` David Schwartz
     [not found] <Xuc2QB.A._uB.h6_WCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 17:29 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <3S5Kr-72b-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <3ScVq-4N8-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-04-12  9:41   ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-04-12 16:44     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 17:50       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 19:05         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:37           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-14  1:54             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14  5:13               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 18:53       ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 19:15         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 20:00           ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 22:45             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-13  5:46               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  6:28                 ` Sean Kellogg
2005-04-13 13:55                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  9:17               ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-11 16:12 Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 16:25 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-11 20:54   ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 21:07     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12  0:40       ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12  5:40         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 16:14           ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 18:45             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-13  2:23               ` Zan Lynx
2005-04-13 14:53               ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-13 19:47                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-14 18:03                   ` Marco Colombo
     [not found] <dpBgeB.A.8M.o1nWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 13:44 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <Tx9naC.A.vTD.H5YWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:54 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-11 13:36   ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 19:31   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 19:46     ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 20:29     ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <zJc_PD.A.R_C.UFRWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:51 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <VrRWRB.A.IlC.3y-VCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <sSO4cD.A.ELC.VTdVCB@murphy>
2005-04-08 12:08 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 12:20   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
     [not found] <vVUko.A.NkD.kNTVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 14:30 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 14:53   ` Oliver Neukum
2005-04-07 15:01     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 15:07       ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found] <L0f93D.A.68G.D2OVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 12:29 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 13:03   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-07 13:30     ` John Stoffel
2005-04-07 13:34     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-04-07 14:15     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08  8:06       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  9:46   ` Ralph Corderoy
     [not found] <08Gc5.A.AFC.QJPVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 12:15 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08  2:10   ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  3:05     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  3:56       ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  7:57         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 20:48         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-09 11:19           ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-10  3:07             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-10  4:20               ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-10 20:18                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11  1:34                   ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-11  2:40                     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 20:17                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-11 11:43                 ` Anthony DeRobertis
2005-04-11  0:26               ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-11  2:40                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  4:05       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:54     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  7:51   ` Sven Luther
     [not found] <t1ufbC.A.C6H.38tUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 19:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-06 20:36   ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <UwJpRC.A.8E.5erUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 16:53 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <lLj-vC.A.92G.w4pUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 15:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 15:50   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 17:53     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:17       ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 18:34         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:50       ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-05 18:56         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  0:10           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-06  7:34             ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  7:46               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  7:47         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 19:28       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 19:40         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 19:50           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 20:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 20:16         ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-05 20:41           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 21:13             ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-06  9:04         ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-06 20:15         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-08  7:44     ` Sven Luther
     [not found] <ea-O2D.A.6pD.MWoUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 14:37 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <h-GOHD.A.KL.s2aUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 12:03 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 12:16   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 14:02     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 17:30       ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-05 13:57   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 14:53     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 20:56     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-07 21:05       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  0:31         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  6:54           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 17:20             ` Adrian Bunk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-04 10:09 Sven Luther
2005-04-04 10:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-04 10:59   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  7:17     ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 11:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 13:26 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-04 14:16   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 17:51     ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 18:21       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:12         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-04 19:24           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:36           ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 18:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:17         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:29           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:58             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 20:23               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 21:16                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:55             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-04 21:19               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:19                 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  8:32                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:49                     ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:32                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:36                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:39                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05 10:42                                 ` Andres Salomon
2005-04-05  9:46                               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 12:09                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 12:14                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-06 19:22                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07  9:34                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07 10:28                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-07 11:27                             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 11:46                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07 18:42                                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  3:06                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-08  6:41                                     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:30                         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:36                           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 15:21                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 21:37                     ` Don Armstrong
2005-04-04 18:39       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-04-04 19:55         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 20:27           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:47             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 21:24               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:58                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:33               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  1:05               ` Alan Cox
2005-04-07  7:28               ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  7:25         ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  8:04           ` David Schmitt
2005-04-07  8:17             ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:32               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-07  8:46                 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:26           ` David Schwartz
2005-04-07 20:16             ` Raul Miller
2005-04-07 23:20               ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  3:55                 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:41                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 12:30                     ` Raul Miller
2005-04-04 19:05       ` Marco d'Itri
2005-04-04 19:14         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:32         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-05 14:05           ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 15:39             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 21:07             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  7:22               ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 11:23                 ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-08 17:34                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 17:42                   ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 18:01                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 18:16                       ` Rich Walker
2005-04-08 18:42                       ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-10  9:24                         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-04-11 20:55                           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09  0:31                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09 14:38                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-09 20:31                       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 11:53               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:41         ` Sven Luther

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