From: Raul Miller <moth@debian.org>
To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:43:12 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050414144312.K24721@links.magenta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKCELDDCAB.davids@webmaster.com>; from davids@webmaster.com on Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 10:44:10AM -0700
> > That is the point: the result is not a single work. It is a
> > collection or compilation of works, just like an anthology. If
> > there is any creativity involved, is in choosing and ordering
> > the parts. The creation of works that "can be linked together"
> > is not protected by copyright: the literary analogy was to
> > "create a robot short story". Such a story could go into an
> > anthology called (duh) "Robot Short Stories", but its
> > licensing is independent of every other robot short story in
> > the world -- except those it is a derivative work of.
On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 10:44:10AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:
> That's fine then, if you want to define derivative work in this
> way, then I can configure, compile, and link the Linux kernel without
> permission of the copyright holder under first sale (since no derivative
> work is created). I can write a program that uses a library, compile
> my program, and link it to the library, again without creating a
> derivative work.
It's quite true that linking does not create a derivative work.
However, it might be the case that a derivative work had already been
created.
Only when you have legally obtained copies of a work are you entitled
to retain those copies.
Technical details (such as downloading the work in pieces, from different
sites, perhaps using bittorrent, or perhaps using ftp, or perhaps using
other protocols) don't make any more difference [either positively or
negatively] than linking does.
> Okay. This gets to the same result that I get to, which is that
> you can do all the things you want to do without permission from
> the copyright holder under first sale. Since this is not creating a
> derivative work, no special permission is needed.
Sure.
Of course this doesn't apply when you got the copy from someone who
wasn't entitled to give it to you.
For example, if I'm distributing some program derived from a GPLed program
and I have no intention of providing source for the derived form, I'm
at fault, and depending on details you might or might not have a license
to the derivative I authored.
On the other hand, the GPL itself has an explicit exception for this case,
the GPLed content is legal for other people to use even if the person
distributing it had lost their copyright grant. But if we're talking
about linking and derived works, you could easily be using derived code
which is not GPLed. The GPL can't offer you any rights to that code,
because someone else owns the copyright.
--
Raul
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2005-04-14 12:18 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 17:44 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 18:43 ` Raul Miller [this message]
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2005-04-14 18:26 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-12 20:23 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 1:37 ` David Schwartz
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2005-04-12 17:29 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-12 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-12 19:01 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:31 ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-12 9:41 ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-04-12 16:44 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 17:50 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 19:05 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:37 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-14 1:54 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 5:13 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 18:53 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 19:15 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 20:00 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 22:45 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-13 5:46 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13 6:28 ` Sean Kellogg
2005-04-13 13:55 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13 9:17 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-11 16:12 Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 16:25 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-11 20:54 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 21:07 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 0:40 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 5:40 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 16:14 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 18:45 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-13 2:23 ` Zan Lynx
2005-04-13 14:53 ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-13 19:47 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-14 18:03 ` Marco Colombo
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2005-04-11 13:44 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-11 11:54 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-11 13:36 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 19:31 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 19:46 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 20:29 ` Raul Miller
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2005-04-11 11:51 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-11 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-08 12:08 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 12:20 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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2005-04-07 14:30 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 14:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-04-07 15:01 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 15:07 ` Oliver Neukum
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2005-04-07 12:29 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 13:03 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-07 13:30 ` John Stoffel
2005-04-07 13:34 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-04-07 14:15 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 8:06 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 9:46 ` Ralph Corderoy
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2005-04-07 12:15 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 2:10 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08 3:05 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08 3:56 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08 7:57 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 20:48 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-09 11:19 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-10 3:07 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-10 4:20 ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-10 20:18 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 1:34 ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-11 2:40 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 20:17 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-11 11:43 ` Anthony DeRobertis
2005-04-11 0:26 ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-11 2:40 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08 4:05 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 7:54 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 7:51 ` Sven Luther
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2005-04-05 19:00 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-05 16:53 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-05 15:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 15:50 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 17:53 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 18:34 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:50 ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-05 18:56 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06 0:10 ` Sven Luther
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2005-04-05 19:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 19:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
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2005-04-05 20:16 ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-05 20:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 21:13 ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-06 9:04 ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-06 20:15 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-08 7:44 ` Sven Luther
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2005-04-05 14:37 ` Humberto Massa
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2005-04-05 12:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 14:02 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 17:30 ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-05 13:57 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 14:53 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 20:56 ` Adrian Bunk
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2005-04-08 0:31 ` Adrian Bunk
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2005-04-04 14:16 ` Sven Luther
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2005-04-06 19:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2005-04-07 11:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2005-04-05 9:30 ` Ian Campbell
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2005-04-04 20:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 21:24 ` Sven Luther
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2005-04-05 9:33 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 1:05 ` Alan Cox
2005-04-07 7:28 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 7:25 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 8:04 ` David Schmitt
2005-04-07 8:17 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07 8:32 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-07 8:46 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07 8:26 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-07 20:16 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-07 23:20 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08 3:55 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 7:41 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 12:30 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-04 19:05 ` Marco d'Itri
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2005-04-04 19:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-05 14:05 ` Josselin Mouette
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2005-04-07 21:07 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 7:22 ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 11:23 ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-08 17:34 ` Adrian Bunk
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