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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Subject: Re: A proposal; making 2.6.20 a bugfix only version.
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:36:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061109013645.7bef848d.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1163064401.3138.472.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:26:41 +0100
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:51 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:22:11 +0100
> > Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > > - A while back, akpm made some statements about being worried that the
> > > > 2.6 kernel is getting buggier
> > > > (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6069363.html).
> > > 
> > > and at this years Kernel Summit actual data
> > 
> > Not true.  70% of surveyed users had hit a new kernel bug. 

<funny, I could have sworn I had some additional text in here.  Where'd it go?>

> 70% of surveyed users hit ANY kernel bug. Not "new bugs"
> Including "my new wizzbang hardware doesn't work" and "I'll try
> something new, oh looky a 4 year old bug" and "this new feature isn't
> quite mature yet now that I try it".
> 
> One of the things that happened was during early 2.6 udev broke left and
> right ABI wise. We've gotten a lot better at that, and that's the kind
> of bug that hits a really wide audience.
> 
> Statistics can be misleading ... bigtime.
> 83% of the people also said things were not getting less reliable in
> 2.6.
> 

70% hit a bug
1/7th think it's deteriorating
1/4th think lkml response is inadequate
3/5ths think bugzilla response is inadequate
2/5ths think we have features-vs-stability wrong
2/3rds hit a bug.  Of those, 1/3rd remain unfixed
1/5th of users are presently impacted by a kernel bug

Happy with that?

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-09  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-08 22:09 Jesper Juhl
2006-11-08 22:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-08 22:40   ` Jesper Juhl
2006-11-08 23:05     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-11-08 23:54       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-10 15:15     ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-10 15:48     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-11-15 21:04       ` Jesper Juhl
2006-11-08 22:51   ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-09  9:26     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09  9:36       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-11-09  9:52         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 19:12           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-09 19:21             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 21:11               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-09 21:31                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:56                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  0:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-10 17:45                     ` Stefan Richter
2006-11-11 11:00                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-11-08 23:28   ` Diego Calleja
2006-11-09  6:48     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 12:45       ` Rolf Eike Beer
2006-11-09  4:57 Al Boldi
2006-11-09 17:05 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-10 15:52   ` Al Boldi
2006-11-10 16:16     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-11-10 16:42       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-10 16:53         ` Randy Dunlap
2006-11-10 19:33           ` Al Boldi
2006-11-10 19:49             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10 21:22               ` Al Boldi
2006-11-10 21:31                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-11  4:15                   ` Al Boldi
2006-11-11  5:09                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-11  7:23                       ` David Miller
2006-11-11 11:15                         ` Al Boldi
2006-11-11  6:31                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-11-11 11:15                       ` Al Boldi
2006-11-11  7:15           ` Willy Tarreau
2006-11-11 12:03             ` Neil Brown
2006-11-11 19:16           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-11 19:15         ` Adrian Bunk

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