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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CFS review
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:27:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708220127.30698.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070821105858.GC26598@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com> wrote:
> > There is one workload that still isn't performing well; it's a
> > web-server workload that spawns 1K+ client procs.  It can be emulated
> > by using this:
> >
> >   for i in `seq 1 to 3333`; do ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null & done
>
> on bash i did this as:
>
>   for ((i=0; i<3333; i++)); do ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null & done
>
> and this quickly creates a monster-runqueue with tons of ping tasks
> pending. (i replaced 10.1 with the IP of another box on the same LAN as
> the testbox) Is this what should happen?

Yes, sometimes they start pending and sometimes they run immediately.

> > The problem is that consecutive runs don't give consistent results and
> > sometimes stalls.  You may want to try that.
>
> well, there's a natural saturation point after a few hundred tasks
> (depending on your CPU's speed), at which point there's no idle time
> left. From that point on things get slower progressively (and the
> ability of the shell to start new ping tasks is impacted as well), but
> that's expected on an overloaded system, isnt it?

Of course, things should get slower with higher load, but it should be 
consistent without stalls.

To see this problem, make sure you boot into /bin/sh with the normal VGA 
console (ie. not fb-console).  Then try each loop a few times to show 
different behaviour; loops like:

# for ((i=0; i<3333; i++)); do ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null & done

# for ((i=0; i<3333; i++)); do nice -99 ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null & done

# { for ((i=0; i<3333; i++)); do
        ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null &
    done } > /dev/null 2>&1

Especially the last one sometimes causes a complete console lock-up, while 
the other two sometimes stall then surge periodically.

BTW, I am also wondering how one might test threading behaviour wrt to 
startup and sync-on-exit with parent thread.  This may not show any problems 
with small number of threads, but how does it scale with 1K+?


Thanks!

--
Al


  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-21 22:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-11 10:44 Al Boldi
2007-08-12  4:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 15:27   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-12 15:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 19:43       ` Al Boldi
2007-08-21 10:58         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 22:27           ` Al Boldi [this message]
2007-08-24 13:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-25 22:27               ` Al Boldi
2007-08-25 23:15                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-26 16:27                   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-26 16:39                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27  4:06                       ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 10:53                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27 14:46                           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 20:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28  4:37                               ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28  5:05                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28  5:23                                   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28  7:28                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-28  7:36                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 16:34                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28 16:44                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-28 16:45                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:19                                         ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29  4:53                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  5:58                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29  6:43                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 20:46                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-28  7:43                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-28  8:02                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 19:19                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-28 19:55                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:29                                   ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29  4:46                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  7:57                                       ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29  8:04                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  8:53                                           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29 15:57                                           ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29 19:56                                             ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30  7:05                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30  7:20                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-31  6:46                                                 ` Tilman Sauerbeck
2007-08-31 10:44                                                   ` DRM and/or X trouble (was Re: CFS review) Rene Herman
2007-08-31 14:55                                                     ` DRM and/or X trouble Satyam Sharma
2007-08-30 16:06                                               ` CFS review Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-30 16:48                                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-08-29  4:40                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-29  3:42                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-29  3:37                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-29  3:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 13:11                     ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-10  8:31 -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:43 ` x86 status was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 17:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11 21:16     ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 21:46       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-11 22:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-13  2:23           ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-13  4:47             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-13 17:23               ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-14  5:04                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  3:41                   ` CFS review Roman Zippel
2007-08-01  7:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01  7:26                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  7:30                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01  7:36                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  8:49                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 13:19                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 15:07                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 17:10                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 16:27                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01 17:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 17:50                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:01                                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 19:05                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-09 23:14                                     ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10  5:49                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 13:52                                         ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 14:18                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 16:47                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-10 17:19                                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 16:54                                           ` Michael Chang
2007-08-10 17:25                                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 19:44                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 19:47                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10 21:15                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 21:36                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 22:50                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11  5:28                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-12  5:17                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-11  0:30                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-20 22:19                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-21  7:33                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-21  8:35                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:54                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11  5:15                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10  7:23                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 11:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:21                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 12:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 13:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:04                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 15:44                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 17:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:14                               ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-03  3:04                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03  3:57                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03  4:18                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03  4:31                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03  4:53                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03  4:38                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03  8:44                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-03  9:29                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 11:37                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:27                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 13:20                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 13:33                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:36                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 16:11                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02  2:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-02  4:57                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 10:43                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02 10:07                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 16:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 22:38                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 19:16                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-02 23:23                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-02 17:36                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 15:46                     ` Ingo Molnar

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