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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Keith Packard <keith.packard@intel.com>
Subject: Re: CFS review
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:58:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708290858.32909.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070829045316.GA15064@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com> wrote:
> > I have narrowed it down a bit to add_wait_runtime.
>
> the scheduler is a red herring here. Could you "strace -ttt -TTT" one of
> the glxgears instances (and send us the cfs-debug-info.sh output, with
> CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG=y and CONFIG_SCHEDSTATS=y as requested before) so
> that we can have a closer look?
>
> i reproduced something similar and there the stall is caused by 1+
> second select() delays on the X client<->server socket. The scheduler
> stats agree with that:
>
>  se.sleep_max             :          2194711437
>  se.block_max             :                   0
>  se.exec_max              :              977446
>  se.wait_max              :             1912321
>
> the scheduler itself had a worst-case scheduling delay of 1.9
> milliseconds for that glxgears instance (which is perfectly good - in
> fact - excellent interactivity) - but the task had a maximum sleep time
> of 2.19 seconds. So the 'glitch' was not caused by the scheduler.

2.19sec is probably the time you need to lay them out side by side.  You see, 
gears sleeps when it is covered by another window, so once you lay them out 
it starts running, and that's when they start to stutter for about 10sec.  
After that they should run smoothly, because they used up all the sleep 
bonus.

If you like, I can send you my straces, but they are kind of big though, and 
you need to strace each gear, as stracing itself changes the workload 
balance.

Let's first make sure what we are looking for:
1. start # gears & gears & gears &
2. lay them out side by side, don't worry about sleep times yet.
3. now they start stuttering for about 10sec
4. now they run out of sleep bonuses and smooth out

If this is the sequence you get on your machine, then try disabling 
add_wait_runtime to see the difference.


Thanks!

--
Al


  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-29  5:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-11 10:44 Al Boldi
2007-08-12  4:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 15:27   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-12 15:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 19:43       ` Al Boldi
2007-08-21 10:58         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 22:27           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-24 13:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-25 22:27               ` Al Boldi
2007-08-25 23:15                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-26 16:27                   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-26 16:39                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27  4:06                       ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 10:53                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27 14:46                           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 20:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28  4:37                               ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28  5:05                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28  5:23                                   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28  7:28                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-28  7:36                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 16:34                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28 16:44                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-28 16:45                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:19                                         ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29  4:53                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  5:58                                             ` Al Boldi [this message]
2007-08-29  6:43                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 20:46                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-28  7:43                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-28  8:02                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 19:19                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-28 19:55                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:29                                   ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29  4:46                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  7:57                                       ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29  8:04                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  8:53                                           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29 15:57                                           ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29 19:56                                             ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30  7:05                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30  7:20                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-31  6:46                                                 ` Tilman Sauerbeck
2007-08-31 10:44                                                   ` DRM and/or X trouble (was Re: CFS review) Rene Herman
2007-08-31 14:55                                                     ` DRM and/or X trouble Satyam Sharma
2007-08-30 16:06                                               ` CFS review Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-30 16:48                                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-08-29  4:40                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-29  3:42                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-29  3:37                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-29  3:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 13:11                     ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-10  8:31 -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:43 ` x86 status was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 17:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11 21:16     ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 21:46       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-11 22:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-13  2:23           ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-13  4:47             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-13 17:23               ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-14  5:04                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  3:41                   ` CFS review Roman Zippel
2007-08-01  7:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01  7:26                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  7:30                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01  7:36                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  8:49                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 13:19                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 15:07                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 17:10                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 16:27                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01 17:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 17:50                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:01                                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 19:05                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-09 23:14                                     ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10  5:49                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 13:52                                         ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 14:18                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 16:47                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-10 17:19                                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 16:54                                           ` Michael Chang
2007-08-10 17:25                                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 19:44                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 19:47                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10 21:15                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 21:36                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 22:50                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11  5:28                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-12  5:17                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-11  0:30                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-20 22:19                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-21  7:33                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-21  8:35                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:54                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11  5:15                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10  7:23                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 11:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:21                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 12:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 13:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:04                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 15:44                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 17:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:14                               ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-03  3:04                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03  3:57                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03  4:18                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03  4:31                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03  4:53                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03  4:38                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03  8:44                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-03  9:29                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 11:37                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:27                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 13:20                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 13:33                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:36                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 16:11                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02  2:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-02  4:57                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 10:43                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02 10:07                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 16:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 22:38                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 19:16                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-02 23:23                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-02 17:36                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 15:46                     ` Ingo Molnar

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