From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CFS review
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:44:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070828094438.2af76c39@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0708280929000.25853@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Al Boldi wrote:
> >
> > I like your analysis, but how do you explain that these stalls
> > vanish when __update_curr is disabled?
>
> It's entirely possible that what happens is that the X scheduling is
> just a slightly unstable system - which effectively would turn a
> small scheduling difference into a *huge* visible difference.
one thing that happens if you remove __update_curr is the following
pattern (since no apps will get preempted involuntarily)
app 1 submits a full frame worth of 3D stuff to X
app 1 then sleeps/waits for that to complete
X gets to run, has 1 full frame to render, does this
X now waits for more input
app 2 now gets to run and submits a full frame
app 2 then sleeps again
X gets to run again to process and complete
X goes to sleep
app 3 gets to run and submits a full frame
app 3 then sleeps
X runs
X sleeps
app 1 gets to submit a frame
etc etc
so without preemption happening, you can get "perfect" behavior, just
because everything is perfectly doing 1 thing at a time cooperatively.
once you start doing timeslices and enforcing limits on them, this
"perfect pattern" will break down (remember this is all software
rendering in the problem being described), and whatever you get won't
be as perfect as this.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-28 16:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-11 10:44 Al Boldi
2007-08-12 4:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 15:27 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-12 15:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 19:43 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-21 10:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 22:27 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-24 13:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-25 22:27 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-25 23:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-26 16:27 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-26 16:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27 4:06 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 10:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27 14:46 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 20:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 4:37 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28 5:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28 5:23 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28 7:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-28 7:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28 16:44 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2007-08-28 16:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 4:19 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29 4:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 5:58 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29 6:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 20:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-28 7:43 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-28 8:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 19:19 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-28 19:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 4:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 4:29 ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29 4:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 7:57 ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29 8:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 8:53 ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29 15:57 ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29 19:56 ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30 7:05 ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30 7:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-31 6:46 ` Tilman Sauerbeck
2007-08-31 10:44 ` DRM and/or X trouble (was Re: CFS review) Rene Herman
2007-08-31 14:55 ` DRM and/or X trouble Satyam Sharma
2007-08-30 16:06 ` CFS review Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-30 16:48 ` Rene Herman
2007-08-29 4:40 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-29 3:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-29 3:37 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-29 3:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 13:11 ` Bill Davidsen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-10 8:31 -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:43 ` x86 status was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 17:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11 21:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 21:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-11 22:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-13 2:23 ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-13 4:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-13 17:23 ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-14 5:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 3:41 ` CFS review Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 7:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 7:26 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 7:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 7:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 8:49 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 13:19 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 15:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 17:10 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01 17:48 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 17:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:01 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 19:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-09 23:14 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 5:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 13:52 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 14:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 16:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-10 17:19 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 16:54 ` Michael Chang
2007-08-10 17:25 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 19:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 19:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10 21:15 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 21:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 22:50 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11 5:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-12 5:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-11 0:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-20 22:19 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-21 7:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-21 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:54 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11 5:15 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10 7:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 11:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:21 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 12:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 13:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 15:44 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 17:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:14 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-03 3:04 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03 3:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03 4:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03 4:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03 4:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03 4:38 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03 8:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-03 9:29 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:27 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 13:20 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 13:33 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 16:11 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02 2:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-02 4:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 10:43 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02 10:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 16:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 22:38 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 19:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-02 23:23 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-02 17:36 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 15:46 ` Ingo Molnar
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