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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CFS review
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:37:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D4E9FE.6080306@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200708260127.32238.a1426z@gawab.com>

Al Boldi wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> * Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com> wrote:
>>>>> The problem is that consecutive runs don't give consistent results
>>>>> and sometimes stalls.  You may want to try that.
>>>> well, there's a natural saturation point after a few hundred tasks
>>>> (depending on your CPU's speed), at which point there's no idle time
>>>> left. From that point on things get slower progressively (and the
>>>> ability of the shell to start new ping tasks is impacted as well),
>>>> but that's expected on an overloaded system, isnt it?
>>> Of course, things should get slower with higher load, but it should be
>>> consistent without stalls.
>>>
>>> To see this problem, make sure you boot into /bin/sh with the normal
>>> VGA console (ie. not fb-console).  Then try each loop a few times to
>>> show different behaviour; loops like:
>>>
>>> # for ((i=0; i<3333; i++)); do ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null & done
>>>
>>> # for ((i=0; i<3333; i++)); do nice -99 ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null & done
>>>
>>> # { for ((i=0; i<3333; i++)); do
>>>         ping 10.1 -A > /dev/null &
>>>     done } > /dev/null 2>&1
>>>
>>> Especially the last one sometimes causes a complete console lock-up,
>>> while the other two sometimes stall then surge periodically.
>> ok. I think i might finally have found the bug causing this. Could you
>> try the fix below, does your webserver thread-startup test work any
>> better?
> 
> It seems to help somewhat, but the problem is still visible.  Even v20.3 on 
> 2.6.22.5 didn't help.
> 
> It does look related to ia-boosting, so I turned off __update_curr like Roman 
> mentioned, which had an enormous smoothing effect, but then nice levels 
> completely break down and lockup the system.
> 
> There is another way to show the problem visually under X (vesa-driver), by 
> starting 3 gears simultaneously, which after laying them out side-by-side 
> need some settling time before smoothing out.  Without __update_curr it's 
> absolutely smooth from the start.

I posted a LOT of stuff using the glitch1 script, and finally found a 
set of tuning values which make the test script run smooth. See back 
posts, I don't have them here.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-29  3:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-11 10:44 Al Boldi
2007-08-12  4:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 15:27   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-12 15:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-12 19:43       ` Al Boldi
2007-08-21 10:58         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 22:27           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-24 13:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-25 22:27               ` Al Boldi
2007-08-25 23:15                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-26 16:27                   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-26 16:39                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27  4:06                       ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 10:53                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-27 14:46                           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-27 20:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28  4:37                               ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28  5:05                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28  5:23                                   ` Al Boldi
2007-08-28  7:28                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-28  7:36                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 16:34                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-28 16:44                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-28 16:45                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:19                                         ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29  4:53                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  5:58                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29  6:43                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 20:46                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-28  7:43                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-28  8:02                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-28 19:19                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-28 19:55                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  4:29                                   ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29  4:46                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  7:57                                       ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29  8:04                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29  8:53                                           ` Al Boldi
2007-08-29 15:57                                           ` Keith Packard
2007-08-29 19:56                                             ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30  7:05                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-08-30  7:20                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-31  6:46                                                 ` Tilman Sauerbeck
2007-08-31 10:44                                                   ` DRM and/or X trouble (was Re: CFS review) Rene Herman
2007-08-31 14:55                                                     ` DRM and/or X trouble Satyam Sharma
2007-08-30 16:06                                               ` CFS review Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-30 16:48                                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-08-29  4:40                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-29  3:42                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-29  3:37                 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2007-08-29  3:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-29 13:11                     ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-10  8:31 -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 Andrew Morton
2007-07-11 12:43 ` x86 status was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 17:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-11 21:16     ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-11 21:46       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-11 22:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-13  2:23           ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-13  4:47             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-13 17:23               ` Roman Zippel
2007-07-14  5:04                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  3:41                   ` CFS review Roman Zippel
2007-08-01  7:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01  7:26                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  7:30                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01  7:36                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  8:49                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 13:19                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 15:07                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 17:10                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 16:27                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01 17:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 17:50                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:01                                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 19:05                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-09 23:14                                     ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10  5:49                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 13:52                                         ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 14:18                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 16:47                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-10 17:19                                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 16:54                                           ` Michael Chang
2007-08-10 17:25                                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 19:44                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 19:47                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10 21:15                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-10 21:36                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10 22:50                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11  5:28                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-12  5:17                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-11  0:30                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-20 22:19                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-21  7:33                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-21  8:35                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:54                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-11  5:15                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-10  7:23                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 11:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:21                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 12:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 13:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:04                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 15:44                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 17:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 18:14                               ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-03  3:04                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03  3:57                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03  4:18                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03  4:31                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-03  4:53                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-03  4:38                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-03  8:44                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-03  9:29                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 11:37                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 12:27                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 13:20                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 13:33                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:36                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 16:11                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02  2:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-02  4:57                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 10:43                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-02 10:07                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-02 16:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 22:38                             ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 19:16                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-02 23:23                           ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 14:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-01 14:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-02 17:36                       ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-02 15:46                     ` Ingo Molnar

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