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From: Andre Noll <maan@systemlinux.org>
To: Tuomo Valkonen <tuomov@iki.fi>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The ext3 way of journalling
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:48:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080108164847.GA16462@skl-net.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <slrnfo77tv.2rr.tuomov@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi>

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On 16:07, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:

> I hate it: every time Linux crashes, e.g. due to power failure, it takes
> almost an hour to boot, because the kernel has decided to corrupt the 
> superblock to indicate that it's been years since last file system 
> check.

Use tune2fs to deactivate checking.

> And obviously the crappy init system provides no simple way to 
> stop the checking, to put it in the background, or whatever.

Modify the init scripts or use another distro.

> The FOSS herd is totally concentrated on creating a WIMP idiot box --
> a cheap plastic clone of Windows -- instead of fixing such fundamental
> problems.
> Windows, by the way, boots like a blaze compared to woeful Linux crap
> (even without the very definition of pure shit: udev, which the crap
> known as Linux practically requires these days).

Don't use udev then. Good old static dev works fine if you have a fixed
set of devices.

> A partial contributor to the slow fsck process is:
> 
>     hde: ST3160023AS, ATA DISK drive
>     hde: applying pessimistic Seagate errata fix
> 
>     # hdparm -t /dev/hde
>     /dev/hde:
>      Timing buffered disk reads:   48 MB in  3.01 seconds =  15.96 MB/sec

You're using the sil3112 driver? Edit its blacklist and remove the
entry for your drive. That gives you the usual speed.

>     Linux noi 2.6.14 #1 PREEMPT Sun Oct 30 20:18:48 EET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> I've tried upgrading, and failed: the megatonne monolith with a gazillion
> hidden options (and totally worthless make oldconfig)

Gradually upgrade to 2.6.15, 2.6.16...

> is impossible to compile these days,

Check your tool-chain. Many people compile recent kernels with no problems.

> and the distros' stock kernel are utter and total crap
> that load drivers in wrong order etc., and are difficult to configure
> (demanding crap that demands udev to edit their initrds).

Use a kernel.org version.

> Not to even speak of the udev-demanding scsi-mapping insanity of SATA
> etc. devices these days.

Nobody forces you to use udev. Moreover, you can write your own udev
rules that match your expectations.

> I've had it with Linux. It's no longer for power users. It's so complex
> that it's only for idiot users that are content with the shoddy defaults,
> and (paid) developers.

You're not ranting about Linux but about your Distro. Complain on
the corresponding distro-specific mailing list, use another distro
and and stop whining.

Thanks
Andre
-- 
The only person who always got his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-08 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-08 16:07 Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 16:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 16:52   ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 17:18     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 17:48       ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:20         ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 18:32     ` Diego Calleja
2008-01-08 18:42       ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 16:39 ` John Stoffel
2008-01-08 16:59   ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 21:49     ` John Stoffel
2008-01-09 13:39     ` Mathieu SEGAUD
2008-01-09 14:16       ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-10 13:16         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-10 13:41           ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-12 15:06             ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-12 19:24               ` Andrey Vul
2008-01-13 22:13               ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-13 22:23                 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-13 23:11                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-14  7:15                     ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14  9:42                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-14  9:48                         ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14  9:57                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-14 10:44                             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-14 11:11                             ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 11:18                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-14 11:27                                 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 10:06                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-01-14 11:03                             ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 12:46                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-01-14 16:18                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-14 23:13                                   ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-15 16:31                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-15  1:09                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-01-15 16:32                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-14 16:10                       ` me
2008-01-14 16:17                         ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 22:39                       ` John Hubbard
2008-01-14  0:36                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-01-08 16:48 ` Andre Noll [this message]
2008-01-08 17:52   ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:07     ` Masoud Sharbiani "مسعود شربیانی"
2008-01-08 18:16       ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:22         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 18:11     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 18:20       ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:29     ` Andre Noll
2008-01-08 18:40       ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:47         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 23:06     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09  7:56       ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-09 10:21         ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09 10:28           ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09 12:30             ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-10 11:30       ` Helge Hafting
2008-01-10 14:02         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-10 14:41         ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09  2:05     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-08 16:53 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-08 17:01   ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:15     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-08 20:51       ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-08 21:03         ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 21:57         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-09  3:21         ` Kyle Moffett
2008-01-09  7:55           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-09 12:49             ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-09  8:00           ` BuraphaLinux Server
2008-01-09  8:21             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-09  9:54       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-01-09 12:25         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-09 12:44           ` Michal Schmidt
2008-01-09 13:53           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-01-09 19:47             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-01-08 21:32 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-08  4:16 ` Rogelio Serrano
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2008-01-08 22:24         ` Bodo Eggert
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2008-01-11 16:22       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-11 18:39         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-12  1:41           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-12  7:10             ` TimC
2008-01-12 10:08               ` Matthias Schniedermeyer

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