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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:11:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080427161105.0b452fe4@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1209337439.3801.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:03:59 -0400
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:58 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:51:25 -0400
> > James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> > When you're mapping device memory, uncached is the safe default. 
> 
> Well, for certain device mailboxes, uncached does mean less
> performant. The voyager breakage was exceptional ... I expect other
> problems just to result in a loss of performance that caching gave by
> improving the bursting.  If we're lucky, the PCI bridge cache might
> hide a lot of this.

on a PC, NONE of the ioremap()s of PCI stuff were cached before, with the
exception of prefetchable ranges, that some bioses set up a write-combining MTRR for.
(and write-combining is effectively "uncached but with write buffering")

If you look at at what kind of devices have prefetchable ranges, you get two answers:
1) video cards
2) some IB adapters


So your argument that this might change PCI stuff is just false.

Your argument that this "99.9%->100% uncached" should have been announced/discussed
in public, sure. But to make this big a deal out of it?

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-27 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-27 20:51 James Bottomley
2008-04-27 20:53 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 21:48 ` [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache() Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 22:05   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:36     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-27 22:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:31       ` David Miller
2008-04-28  0:31         ` Rik van Riel
2008-04-28  0:45           ` Al Viro
2008-04-28  0:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-28  9:01         ` Alan Cox
2008-04-28  9:17           ` David Miller
2008-04-28  9:48             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 11:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28  6:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 16:55         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:34   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:39     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:44       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:46       ` David Miller
2008-04-27 22:52         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58           ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:04             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-30 20:35               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-27 23:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:59             ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:02             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:14               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:01         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-30 21:44           ` James Bottomley
2008-04-30 22:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 23:01       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-04-28 14:10       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 14:29         ` James Bottomley
2008-04-28 15:07           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 19:59             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:00 ` Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:10   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:13     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:18       ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:00   ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:07     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:03   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 23:11     ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-04-27 23:17     ` H. Peter Anvin

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