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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: jeff@garzik.org, James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com,
	mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache()
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:52:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48150392.6040508@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080427.154620.177583216.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller wrote:
> From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:39:24 -0400
> 
>> I disagree with this semantics change.  A number of code places _and 
>> drivers_ GET IT RIGHT, and these are all broken now?
> 
> [ Note, James's patch that you quoted is about mapping DMA
>   memory, in dma_declare_coherent_memory(), rather than devices.
>   But I know what you are trying to talk about Jeff. :-) ]
> 
> Wrt. ioremap() semanics, it is important to realize that if
> the implementation of this on x86 has been giving non-cached
> I/O mappings out up until recently, you can expect that there
> are hundreds of drivers that might now be broken.
> 
> That's the sad fact of the ubiquity of x86, and it doesn't matter how
> we defined the API is some document.
> 
> Anyways, my point is that this angle should be strongly considered in
> any discussion about ioremap() behavior.
> 

There are pretty much three reasons to default to uncached, as far as I 
understand:

1. De facto historical practice (follow the MTRRs);
2. Conservatism (failure mode less drastic);
3. Compatibility with other architectures.

Arguably, the right thing is to not even have ioremap() anymore, just 
ioremap_{cache,nocache,wc} and consider any unconverted ioremap() as a 
flag to audit that particular piece of code.

I don't think that can be done "instantly", though, so defaulting 
ioremap() to uncached (as it apparently has been on other arches 
already?) is the conservative option in the meantime.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-27 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-27 20:51 Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree James Bottomley
2008-04-27 20:53 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 21:48 ` [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache() Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 22:05   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:36     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-27 22:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:31       ` David Miller
2008-04-28  0:31         ` Rik van Riel
2008-04-28  0:45           ` Al Viro
2008-04-28  0:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-28  9:01         ` Alan Cox
2008-04-28  9:17           ` David Miller
2008-04-28  9:48             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 11:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28  6:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 16:55         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:34   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:39     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:44       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:46       ` David Miller
2008-04-27 22:52         ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-04-27 22:58           ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:04             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-30 20:35               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-27 23:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:59             ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:02             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:14               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:01         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-30 21:44           ` James Bottomley
2008-04-30 22:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 23:01       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-04-28 14:10       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 14:29         ` James Bottomley
2008-04-28 15:07           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 19:59             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:00 ` Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:10   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:13     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:18       ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:00   ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:07     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:03   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 23:11     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:17     ` H. Peter Anvin

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