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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Petr Tesarik <ptesarik@suse.cz>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Spinlocks: Factor our GENERIC_LOCKBREAK in order to avoid spin with irqs disable
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:07:34 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807081207.34453.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4872792F.9080609@goop.org>

On Tuesday 08 July 2008 06:14, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:

> The other point, of course, is that ticket locks are massive overkill
> for the problem they're trying to solve.

No they aren't.


> It's one thing to introduce an 
> element of fairness into spinlocks, its another to impose strict FIFO
> ordering.  It would be enough to make the locks "polite" by preventing a
> new lock-holder from taking the lock while its under contention.
> Something like:
>
> 	union lock {
> 		unsigned short word;
> 		struct { unsigned char lock, count; };
> 	};
>
> spin_lock:		# ebx - lock pointer
> 	movw	$0x0001, %ax	# add 1 to lock, 0 to count
> 	xaddw	%ax, (%ebx)	# attempt to take lock and test user count
> 	testw	%ax,%ax
> 	jnz	slow
>
> taken:	ret
>
> # slow path
> slow:	lock incb 1(%ebx)	# inc count
>
> 1:	rep;nop
> 	cmpb	$0,(%ebx)
> 	jnz	1b		# wait for unlocked
>
> 	movb	$1,%al		# attempt to take lock (count already increased)
> 	xchgb	%al,(%ebx)
> 	testb	%al,%al
> 	jnz	1b
>
> 	lock decb 1(%ebx)	# drop count
> 	jmp	taken
>
> spin_unlock:
> 	movb	$0,(%ebx)
> 	ret
>
>
> The uncontended fastpath is similar to the pre-ticket locks, but it
> refuses to take the lock if there are other waiters, even if the lock is
> not currently held.  This prevents the rapid lock-unlock cycle on one
> CPU from starving another CPU, which I understand was the original
> problem tickets locks were trying to solve.

They prevent lots of unfairness and starvation problems. The most
prominent one (ie. actually observed in Linux) was a single CPU
being totally starved by N others (to the point where lockup timers
would kick in).

As an aside, these locks you propose are also a lot more costly in
the contended path. 4 vs 1 atomic operations on the lock cacheline
is not so great.


> But it also means that all the contended spinners get the lock in
> whatever order the system decides to give it to them, rather than
> imposing a strict order.

The exact problem is that the system actively does the wrong thing
when you allow it to decide.

Unlike simple cacheline access, I don't believe it is such a good
idea to batch up locks many times on the same CPU for example. While
it surely could improve performance in specific situations, I think
that if code is taking and releasing a lock many times, then it most
probably should be either reworked to hold the lock for longer, or
changed completely. And once locks become *really* contended, then
the cost of moving the critical section to another CPU is really
drowned out by the cost of contention itself (all the idle time,
and taking/releasing the lock cacheline).

So far my theory has held up (except for virtualized systems).


  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-08  2:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-06 19:26 Spinlocks waiting with interrupts disabled / preempt disabled Christoph Lameter
2008-05-07  7:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:04   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-07 17:24     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-07 18:49       ` Spinlocks: Factor our GENERIC_LOCKBREAK in order to avoid spin with irqs disable Christoph Lameter
2008-05-09 10:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-09 16:28           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-23 17:19         ` Petr Tesarik
2008-06-23 17:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-23 18:20           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-23 20:39             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-23 20:45               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-23 20:58                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-26  2:51                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-26  6:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-26 15:49                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-26  9:17                     ` Petr Tesarik
2008-06-26 17:02                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-26 17:48                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-07 11:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-07 11:52                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-07 15:56                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-08  2:08                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-07 15:53                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-07 19:46                     ` Rik van Riel
2008-07-07 20:14                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-08  2:07                         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-07-08  5:57                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-08  8:41                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-08 15:58                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-09 16:35   ` Spinlocks waiting with interrupts disabled / preempt disabled Olaf Weber
2008-05-09 17:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-09 18:00       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-09 18:06         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-09 20:01       ` Olaf Weber

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