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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: "Fischer, Anna" <anna.fischer@hp.com>
Cc: H L <swdevyid@yahoo.com>,
	"randy.dunlap@oracle.com" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	"grundler@parisc-linux.org" <grundler@parisc-linux.org>,
	"Chiang, Alexander" <achiang@hp.com>,
	"matthew@wil.cx" <matthew@wil.cx>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rdreier@cisco.com" <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org" <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@elte.hu" <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:03:54 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081106180354.GA17429@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0199E0D51A61344794750DC57738F58E5E26F996C4@GVW1118EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 05:38:16PM +0000, Fischer, Anna wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 08:41:53AM -0800, H L wrote:
> > > I have not modified any existing drivers, but instead I threw
> > together
> > > a bare-bones module enabling me to make a call to pci_iov_register()
> > > and then poke at an SR-IOV adapter's /sys entries for which no driver
> > > was loaded.
> > >
> > > It appears from my perusal thus far that drivers using these new
> > > SR-IOV patches will require modification; i.e. the driver associated
> > > with the Physical Function (PF) will be required to make the
> > > pci_iov_register() call along with the requisite notify() function.
> > > Essentially this suggests to me a model for the PF driver to perform
> > > any "global actions" or setup on behalf of VFs before enabling them
> > > after which VF drivers could be associated.
> >
> > Where would the VF drivers have to be associated?  On the "pci_dev"
> > level or on a higher one?
> 
> A VF appears to the Linux OS as a standard (full, additional) PCI
> device. The driver is associated in the same way as for a normal PCI
> device. Ideally, you would use SR-IOV devices on a virtualized system,
> for example, using Xen. A VF can then be assigned to a guest domain as
> a full PCI device.

It's that "second" part that I'm worried about.  How is that going to
happen?  Do you have any patches that show this kind of "assignment"?

> > Will all drivers that want to bind to a "VF" device need to be
> > rewritten?
> 
> Currently, any vendor providing a SR-IOV device needs to provide a PF
> driver and a VF driver that runs on their hardware.

Are there any such drivers available yet?

> A VF driver does not necessarily need to know much about SR-IOV but
> just run on the presented PCI device. You might want to have a
> communication channel between PF and VF driver though, for various
> reasons, if such a channel is not provided in hardware.

Agreed, but what does that channel look like in Linux?

I have some ideas of what I think it should look like, but if people
already have code, I'd love to see that as well.

> > > I have so far only seen Yu Zhao's "7-patch" set.  I've not yet looked
> > > at his subsequently tendered "15-patch" set so I don't know what has
> > > changed.    The hardware/firmware implementation for any given SR-IOV
> > > compatible device, will determine the extent of differences required
> > > between a PF driver and a VF driver.
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I'm worried/curious about.  Without seeing the code
> > for such a driver, how can we properly evaluate if this infrastructure
> > is the correct one and the proper way to do all of this?
> 
> Yu's API allows a PF driver to register with the Linux PCI code and
> use it to activate VFs and allocate their resources. The PF driver
> needs to be modified to work with that API. While you can argue about
> how that API is supposed to look like, it is clear that such an API is
> required in some form.

I totally agree, I'm arguing about what that API looks like :)

I want to see some code...

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-22  8:38 Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` [PATCH 1/16 v6] PCI: remove unnecessary arg of pci_update_resource() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:40 ` [PATCH 2/16 v6] PCI: define PCI resource names in an 'enum' Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:24   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:44     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:51       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:53         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14  0:43   ` Simon Horman
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 3/16 v6] PCI: export __pci_read_base Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 4/16 v6] PCI: make pci_alloc_child_bus() be able to handle NULL bridge Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:41 ` [PATCH 5/16 v6] PCI: add a wrapper for resource_alignment() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` [PATCH 6/16 v6] PCI: add a new function to map BAR offset Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:42 ` [PATCH 7/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pcibios_allocate_resources() Yu Zhao
2008-10-23  7:10   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-10-23  6:50     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 8/16 v6] PCI: add boot options to reassign resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:49     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 9/16 v6] PCI: add boot option to align MMIO resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:52     ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:43 ` [PATCH 10/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 11/16 v6] PCI: split a new function from pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 12/16 v6] PCI: support the SR-IOV capability Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:44 ` [PATCH 13/16 v6] PCI: reserve bus range for SR-IOV device Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 14/16 v6] PCI: document for SR-IOV user and developer Yu Zhao
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 15/16 v6] PCI: document the SR-IOV sysfs entries Yu Zhao
2008-11-06  4:33   ` Greg KH
2008-11-06  4:46     ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  3:01       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  3:18         ` Greg KH
2008-11-13  6:50           ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14  0:55             ` Greg KH
2008-11-17  8:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-18 15:05                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-18 16:49                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-22  8:45 ` [PATCH 16/16 v6] PCI: document the new PCI boot parameters Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 17:01     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-11-06  4:32   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  2:37     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  2:50       ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  3:40         ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  4:17           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-11  1:43             ` Yu Zhao
2008-12-11  4:33               ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-11 15:39                 ` H L
2008-11-07  6:16           ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:50             ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:02               ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:17                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  8:24                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  8:35                     ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 18:53                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  5:00                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08  5:25                           ` Greg KH
2008-11-08  6:05                             ` Yu Zhao
     [not found]                           ` <fe8256d20811072150o1d82e8bdq40bf61df0a3faebe@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-08  5:54                             ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 14:19             ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-09 14:34               ` Alexander Graf
2008-11-06  4:48 ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Greg KH
2008-11-06 15:40   ` H L
2008-11-06 15:43     ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:41       ` H L
2008-11-06 16:49         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 17:38           ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 18:03             ` Greg KH [this message]
2008-11-06 20:04               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-09 12:44               ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:25                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 19:37                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-11  6:08                     ` Greg KH
2008-11-11  9:00                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 18:36             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 22:38               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 22:58                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07  6:19                   ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 15:17                     ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 18:48                       ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 11:09                         ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 15:37                           ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-13  7:49                         ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07  1:52                 ` Dong, Eddie
2008-11-07  2:08                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-11-07 15:21                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-09 12:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 16:01                 ` Yu Zhao
     [not found]                 ` <87d4h7pnnm.fsf__4937.77150190926$1226071173$gmane$org@basil.nowhere.org>
2008-11-12 22:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-16 16:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-17  1:46                       ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 17:47           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 17:53             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 22:24               ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:40               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-07  6:17                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:47                   ` Zhao, Yu
     [not found]                     ` <200811111048.45242.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2008-11-17 12:01                       ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:58                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09  6:41                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-09 13:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 23:54               ` Chris Wright
2008-11-07  6:10                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  7:06                 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  7:29                   ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-06 18:05           ` H L
2008-11-06 18:24             ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 21:35               ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-07  6:18                 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07  6:03               ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 16:51       ` git repository for SR-IOV development? H L
2008-11-06 16:59         ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 19:58           ` H L
2008-11-06 22:56             ` Simon Horman
2008-11-07  1:58             ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 13:09               ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07  5:18   ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07  6:07     ` Greg KH

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