From: "Leonid Grossman" <Leonid.Grossman@neterion.com>
To: "Fischer, Anna" <anna.fischer@hp.com>, "Greg KH" <greg@kroah.com>,
"Yu Zhao" <yu.zhao@uniscape.net>
Cc: "Matthew Wilcox" <matthew@wil.cx>,
"Anthony Liguori" <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
"H L" <swdevyid@yahoo.com>, <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
<grundler@parisc-linux.org>, "Chiang, Alexander" <achiang@hp.com>,
<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, <rdreier@cisco.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <mingo@elte.hu>,
<keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>, <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
<jun.nakajima@intel.com>, <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:37:54 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <78C9135A3D2ECE4B8162EBDCE82CAD77048C24C0@nekter> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0199E0D51A61344794750DC57738F58E5E26FF3237@GVW1118EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fischer, Anna [mailto:anna.fischer@hp.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 3:10 AM
> To: Greg KH; Yu Zhao
> Cc: Matthew Wilcox; Anthony Liguori; H L; randy.dunlap@oracle.com;
> grundler@parisc-linux.org; Chiang, Alexander;
linux-pci@vger.kernel.org;
> rdreier@cisco.com; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org;
jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org;
> virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org; kvm@vger.kernel.org;
> mingo@elte.hu; keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com; Leonid Grossman;
> eddie.dong@intel.com; jun.nakajima@intel.com; avi@redhat.com
> Subject: RE: [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support
>
> > But would such an api really take advantage of the new IOV
interfaces
> > that are exposed by the new device type?
>
> I agree with what Yu says. The idea is to have hardware capabilities
to
> virtualize a PCI device in a way that those virtual devices can
represent
> full PCI devices. The advantage of that is that those virtual device
can
> then be used like any other standard PCI device, meaning we can use
> existing
> OS tools, configuration mechanism etc. to start working with them.
Also,
> when
> using a virtualization-based system, e.g. Xen or KVM, we do not need
> to introduce new mechanisms to make use of SR-IOV, because we can
handle
> VFs as full PCI devices.
>
> A virtual PCI device in hardware (a VF) can be as powerful or complex
as
> you like, or it can be very simple. But the big advantage of SR-IOV is
> that hardware presents a complete PCI device to the OS - as opposed to
> some resources, or queues, that need specific new configuration and
> assignment mechanisms in order to use them with a guest OS (like, for
> example, VMDq or similar technologies).
>
> Anna
Ditto.
Taking netdev interface as an example - a queue pair is a great way to
scale across cpu cores in a single OS image, but it is just not a good
way to share device across multiple OS images.
The best unit of virtualization is a VF that is implemented as a
complete netdev pci device (not a subset of a pci device).
This way, native netdev device drivers can work for direct hw access to
a VF "as is", and most/all Linux networking features (including VMQ)
will work in a guest.
Also, guest migration for netdev interfaces (both direct and virtual)
can be supported via native Linux mechanism (bonding driver), while Dom0
can retain "veto power" over any guest direct interface operation it
deems privileged (vlan, mac address, promisc mode, bandwidth allocation
between VFs, etc.).
Leonid
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-08 15:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-22 8:38 Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:40 ` [PATCH 1/16 v6] PCI: remove unnecessary arg of pci_update_resource() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:40 ` [PATCH 2/16 v6] PCI: define PCI resource names in an 'enum' Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:24 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:51 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:53 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14 0:43 ` Simon Horman
2008-10-22 8:41 ` [PATCH 3/16 v6] PCI: export __pci_read_base Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:41 ` [PATCH 4/16 v6] PCI: make pci_alloc_child_bus() be able to handle NULL bridge Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:41 ` [PATCH 5/16 v6] PCI: add a wrapper for resource_alignment() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:42 ` [PATCH 6/16 v6] PCI: add a new function to map BAR offset Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:42 ` [PATCH 7/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pcibios_allocate_resources() Yu Zhao
2008-10-23 7:10 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-10-23 6:50 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:43 ` [PATCH 8/16 v6] PCI: add boot options to reassign resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:35 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:49 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:43 ` [PATCH 9/16 v6] PCI: add boot option to align MMIO resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:34 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:52 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:43 ` [PATCH 10/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:44 ` [PATCH 11/16 v6] PCI: split a new function from pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:44 ` [PATCH 12/16 v6] PCI: support the SR-IOV capability Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:44 ` [PATCH 13/16 v6] PCI: reserve bus range for SR-IOV device Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:45 ` [PATCH 14/16 v6] PCI: document for SR-IOV user and developer Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:45 ` [PATCH 15/16 v6] PCI: document the SR-IOV sysfs entries Yu Zhao
2008-11-06 4:33 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 4:46 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 3:01 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 3:18 ` Greg KH
2008-11-13 6:50 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14 0:55 ` Greg KH
2008-11-17 8:09 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-18 15:05 ` Greg KH
2008-11-18 16:49 ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-22 8:45 ` [PATCH 16/16 v6] PCI: document the new PCI boot parameters Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:27 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 17:01 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-11-06 4:32 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 2:37 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 2:50 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 3:40 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 4:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-11 1:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-12-11 4:33 ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-11 15:39 ` H L
2008-11-07 6:16 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 7:50 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 8:02 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 8:17 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 8:24 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 8:35 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 18:53 ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 5:00 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08 5:25 ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 6:05 ` Yu Zhao
[not found] ` <fe8256d20811072150o1d82e8bdq40bf61df0a3faebe@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-08 5:54 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 14:19 ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-09 14:34 ` Alexander Graf
2008-11-06 4:48 ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Greg KH
2008-11-06 15:40 ` H L
2008-11-06 15:43 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:41 ` H L
2008-11-06 16:49 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 17:38 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 18:03 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 20:04 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-09 12:44 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:25 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 19:37 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-11 6:08 ` Greg KH
2008-11-11 9:00 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 18:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 22:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 22:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 6:19 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 15:17 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 18:48 ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 11:09 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 15:37 ` Leonid Grossman [this message]
2008-11-13 7:49 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:47 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 1:52 ` Dong, Eddie
2008-11-07 2:08 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-11-07 15:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-09 12:53 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 16:01 ` Yu Zhao
[not found] ` <87d4h7pnnm.fsf__4937.77150190926$1226071173$gmane$org@basil.nowhere.org>
2008-11-12 22:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-16 16:04 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-17 1:46 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 17:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 17:53 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 22:24 ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-07 6:17 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 7:47 ` Zhao, Yu
[not found] ` <200811111048.45242.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2008-11-17 12:01 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:58 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 6:41 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-09 13:03 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 23:54 ` Chris Wright
2008-11-07 6:10 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 7:06 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 7:29 ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-06 18:05 ` H L
2008-11-06 18:24 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 21:35 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-07 6:18 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 6:03 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 16:51 ` git repository for SR-IOV development? H L
2008-11-06 16:59 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 19:58 ` H L
2008-11-06 22:56 ` Simon Horman
2008-11-07 1:58 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 13:09 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 5:18 ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 6:07 ` Greg KH
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