From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: H L <swdevyid@yahoo.com>
Cc: Yu Zhao <yu.zhao@intel.com>,
randy.dunlap@oracle.com, grundler@parisc-linux.org,
achiang@hp.com, matthew@wil.cx, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
rdreier@cisco.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:24:43 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081106182443.GB17782@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <392264.50990.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:05:39AM -0800, H L wrote:
>
> --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 08:41:53AM -0800, H L wrote:
> > > I have not modified any existing drivers, but instead
> > I threw together
> > > a bare-bones module enabling me to make a call to
> > pci_iov_register()
> > > and then poke at an SR-IOV adapter's /sys entries
> > for which no driver
> > > was loaded.
> > >
> > > It appears from my perusal thus far that drivers using
> > these new
> > > SR-IOV patches will require modification; i.e. the
> > driver associated
> > > with the Physical Function (PF) will be required to
> > make the
> > > pci_iov_register() call along with the requisite
> > notify() function.
> > > Essentially this suggests to me a model for the PF
> > driver to perform
> > > any "global actions" or setup on behalf of
> > VFs before enabling them
> > > after which VF drivers could be associated.
> >
> > Where would the VF drivers have to be associated? On the
> > "pci_dev"
> > level or on a higher one?
>
>
> I have not yet fully grocked Yu Zhao's model to answer this. That
> said, I would *hope* to find it on the "pci_dev" level.
Me too.
> > Will all drivers that want to bind to a "VF"
> > device need to be
> > rewritten?
>
> Not necessarily, or perhaps minimally; depends on hardware/firmware
> and actions the driver wants to take. An example here might assist.
> Let's just say someone has created, oh, I don't know, maybe an SR-IOV
> NIC. Now, for 'general' I/O operations to pass network traffic back
> and forth there would ideally be no difference in the actions and
> therefore behavior of a PF driver and a VF driver. But, what do you
> do in the instance a VF wants to change link-speed? As that physical
> characteristic affects all VFs, how do you handle that? This is where
> the hardware/firmware implementation part comes to play. If a VF
> driver performs some actions to initiate the change in link speed, the
> logic in the adapter could be anything like:
<snip>
Yes, I agree that all of this needs to be done, somehow.
It's that "somehow" that I am interested in trying to see how it works
out.
> >
> > > I have so far only seen Yu Zhao's
> > "7-patch" set. I've not yet looked
> > > at his subsequently tendered "15-patch" set
> > so I don't know what has
> > > changed. The hardware/firmware implementation for
> > any given SR-IOV
> > > compatible device, will determine the extent of
> > differences required
> > > between a PF driver and a VF driver.
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I'm worried/curious about.
> > Without seeing the code
> > for such a driver, how can we properly evaluate if this
> > infrastructure
> > is the correct one and the proper way to do all of this?
>
>
> As the example above demonstrates, that's a tough question to answer.
> Ideally, in my view, there would only be one driver written per SR-IOV
> device and it would contain the logic to "do the right things" based
> on whether its running as a PF or VF with that determination easily
> accomplished by testing the existence of the SR-IOV extended
> capability. Then, in an effort to minimize (if not eliminate) the
> complexities of driver-to-driver actions for fielding "global events",
> contain as much of the logic as is possible within the adapter.
> Minimizing the efforts required for the device driver writers in my
> opinion paves the way to greater adoption of this technology.
Yes, making things easier is the key here.
Perhaps some of this could be hidden with a new bus type for these kinds
of devices? Or a "virtual" bus of pci devices that the original SR-IOV
device creates that corrispond to the individual virtual PCI devices?
If that were the case, then it might be a lot easier in the end.
thanks,
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-06 18:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-22 8:38 Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:40 ` [PATCH 1/16 v6] PCI: remove unnecessary arg of pci_update_resource() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:40 ` [PATCH 2/16 v6] PCI: define PCI resource names in an 'enum' Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:24 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:44 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:51 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:53 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14 0:43 ` Simon Horman
2008-10-22 8:41 ` [PATCH 3/16 v6] PCI: export __pci_read_base Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:41 ` [PATCH 4/16 v6] PCI: make pci_alloc_child_bus() be able to handle NULL bridge Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:41 ` [PATCH 5/16 v6] PCI: add a wrapper for resource_alignment() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:42 ` [PATCH 6/16 v6] PCI: add a new function to map BAR offset Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:42 ` [PATCH 7/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pcibios_allocate_resources() Yu Zhao
2008-10-23 7:10 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-10-23 6:50 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:43 ` [PATCH 8/16 v6] PCI: add boot options to reassign resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:35 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:49 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:43 ` [PATCH 9/16 v6] PCI: add boot option to align MMIO resources Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:34 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 14:52 ` Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:43 ` [PATCH 10/16 v6] PCI: cleanup pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:44 ` [PATCH 11/16 v6] PCI: split a new function from pci_bus_add_devices() Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:44 ` [PATCH 12/16 v6] PCI: support the SR-IOV capability Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:44 ` [PATCH 13/16 v6] PCI: reserve bus range for SR-IOV device Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:45 ` [PATCH 14/16 v6] PCI: document for SR-IOV user and developer Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 8:45 ` [PATCH 15/16 v6] PCI: document the SR-IOV sysfs entries Yu Zhao
2008-11-06 4:33 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 4:46 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 3:01 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 3:18 ` Greg KH
2008-11-13 6:50 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-14 0:55 ` Greg KH
2008-11-17 8:09 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-18 15:05 ` Greg KH
2008-11-18 16:49 ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-22 8:45 ` [PATCH 16/16 v6] PCI: document the new PCI boot parameters Yu Zhao
2008-10-22 14:27 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-22 17:01 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-11-06 4:32 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 2:37 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 2:50 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 3:40 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 4:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-11 1:43 ` Yu Zhao
2008-12-11 4:33 ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-11 15:39 ` H L
2008-11-07 6:16 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 7:50 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 8:02 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 8:17 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 8:24 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 8:35 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 18:53 ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 5:00 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-08 5:25 ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 6:05 ` Yu Zhao
[not found] ` <fe8256d20811072150o1d82e8bdq40bf61df0a3faebe@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-08 5:54 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 14:19 ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-09 14:34 ` Alexander Graf
2008-11-06 4:48 ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Greg KH
2008-11-06 15:40 ` H L
2008-11-06 15:43 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 16:41 ` H L
2008-11-06 16:49 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 17:38 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-06 18:03 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 20:04 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-09 12:44 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 19:25 ` Greg KH
2008-11-09 19:37 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-11 6:08 ` Greg KH
2008-11-11 9:00 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 18:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 22:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-06 22:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 6:19 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 15:17 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 18:48 ` Greg KH
2008-11-08 11:09 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-08 15:37 ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-13 7:49 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:47 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 1:52 ` Dong, Eddie
2008-11-07 2:08 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-11-07 15:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-09 12:53 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-07 16:01 ` Yu Zhao
[not found] ` <87d4h7pnnm.fsf__4937.77150190926$1226071173$gmane$org@basil.nowhere.org>
2008-11-12 22:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-16 16:04 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-17 1:46 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 17:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-06 17:53 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 22:24 ` Simon Horman
2008-11-06 22:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-07 6:17 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 7:47 ` Zhao, Yu
[not found] ` <200811111048.45242.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2008-11-17 12:01 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-09 12:58 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-09 6:41 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-09 13:03 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-06 23:54 ` Chris Wright
2008-11-07 6:10 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 7:06 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 7:29 ` Leonid Grossman
2008-11-06 18:05 ` H L
2008-11-06 18:24 ` Greg KH [this message]
2008-11-06 21:35 ` Fischer, Anna
2008-11-07 6:18 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 6:03 ` Zhao, Yu
2008-11-06 16:51 ` git repository for SR-IOV development? H L
2008-11-06 16:59 ` Greg KH
2008-11-06 19:58 ` H L
2008-11-06 22:56 ` Simon Horman
2008-11-07 1:58 ` Greg KH
2008-11-07 13:09 ` Yu Zhao
2008-11-07 5:18 ` [PATCH 0/16 v6] PCI: Linux kernel SR-IOV support Zhao, Yu
2008-11-07 6:07 ` Greg KH
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