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From: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>, Ben Blum <bblum@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	serue@us.ibm.com, lizf@cn.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] Makes procs file writable to move all threads by tgid at once
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:23:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090724172320.GH5878@count0.beaverton.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830907240901w4fc02097k83d0c1012708e6ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:01:46AM -0700, Paul Menage wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Matt Helsley<matthltc@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is much ado about not taking additional "global locks" in fork()
> > paths.
> >
> > * The fork and exit callbacks cgroup_fork() and cgroup_exit(), don't
> > * (usually) take cgroup_mutex.  These are the two most performance
> > * critical pieces of code here.
> > ...
> >
> > and as I recall cgroup_fork() doesn't ever take cgroup_mutex because it is
> > so performance critical.
> 
> cgroup_mutex is a much bigger and heavier mutex than the new rwsem
> being introduced in this patch. It's sort of the BKL of cgroups,
> although where possible I'm encouraging use of finer-grained
> alternatives (such as subsystem-specific locks, the per-hierarchy
> lock, etc).
> 
> > Assuming the above comments in kernel/cgroup.c
> > are correct then this patch adds a performance regression by introducing a
> > global mutex in the fork path, doesn't it?
> 
> Yes, although to what magnitude isn't clear.

OK.

> Alternatives that we looked at were:
> 
> - add a clone_rwsem to task_struct, and require that a clone operation
> that's adding to the same thread group take a read lock on the
> leader's clone_rwsem; then the effect would be localised to a single
> process; but for a system that has one big multi-threaded server on
> it, the effect would still be similar to a global lock

Except most processes aren't big multi-threaded servers and not everyone
runs such processes. They'll experience the overhead of a global lock
when they don't have to. Again, it's a question of magnitudes we don't
know I think.

> 
> - move the housekeeping done by cgroup_fork() inside the tasklist_lock
> critical section in do_fork(); then cgroup_attach_proc() can rely on
> the existing global tasklist_lock to provide the necessary
> synchronization, rather than introducing a second global lock; the
> downside is that it slightly increases the size of the section where
> tasklist_lock is held for write.

Well, I imagine holding tasklist_lock is worse than cgroup_mutex in some
ways since it's used even more widely. Makes sense not to use it here..

Cheers,
	-Matt Helsley

  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-24 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-24  3:21 [PATCH 0/6] CGroups: cgroup memberlist enhancement+fix Ben Blum
2009-07-24  3:21 ` [PATCH 1/6] Adds a read-only "procs" file similar to "tasks" that shows only unique tgids Ben Blum
2009-07-24  3:21 ` [PATCH 2/6] Ensures correct concurrent opening/reading of pidlists across pid namespaces Ben Blum
2009-07-24  3:21 ` [PATCH 3/6] Quick vmalloc vs kmalloc fix to the case where array size is too large Ben Blum
2009-07-27  5:14   ` Li Zefan
2009-07-27 15:49     ` Benjamin Blum
2009-07-24  3:21 ` [PATCH 4/6] Changes css_set freeing mechanism to be under RCU Ben Blum
2009-07-24  3:22 ` [PATCH 5/6] Makes procs file writable to move all threads by tgid at once Ben Blum
2009-07-24 10:02   ` Louis Rilling
2009-07-24 10:08     ` Louis Rilling
2009-07-24 19:05       ` Benjamin Blum
2009-07-24 21:52     ` Benjamin Blum
2009-07-24 21:57       ` Paul Menage
2009-08-03 10:52         ` Louis Rilling
2009-07-29  0:23       ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-03 11:00         ` Louis Rilling
2009-07-24 15:50   ` Matt Helsley
2009-07-24 16:01     ` Paul Menage
2009-07-24 17:23       ` Matt Helsley [this message]
2009-07-24 17:47         ` Paul Menage
2009-07-24 20:53           ` Benjamin Blum
2009-07-24 21:06             ` Matt Helsley
2009-07-24 21:36               ` Paul Menage
2009-11-09 17:07   ` Daniel Lezcano
2009-11-10  1:29     ` Li Zefan
2009-11-10 10:26       ` Daniel Lezcano
2009-11-11  2:07         ` Li Zefan
2009-11-11 20:06           ` Daniel Lezcano
2009-07-24  3:22 ` [PATCH 6/6] Lets ss->can_attach and ss->attach do whole threadgroups at a time Ben Blum

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