From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: security@kernel.org, Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>,
mort@sgi.com, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
fweisbec@gmail.com, jason.wessel@windriver.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
tj@kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [Security] [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 00:46:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101104234633.GB31256@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101104223526.GC31236@1wt.eu>
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 11:35:26PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> > The point is to make it riskier to run exploits - not to 'hide version because we
> > are so buggy'. Unprivileged attackers wont be able to know whether a kernel is
> > unpatched and wont know whether trying an actual exploit triggers a silent alarm or
> > not.
>
> In my opinion, hiding the distro-specific part of the version should not cause
> too much harm, but still I find this useless.
BTW, if you want to hide the kernel version for the 99% distro kernels,
there's a very simple way to do that : just don't bump EXTRAVERSION nor
the build date in official builds. Keep it the same for all the product's
life, and provide the real name in a /proc entry that is only readable by
root by default. This will solve your issue with the exact kernel version
revealing pointers/bugs without hurting compatibility with user space
tools.
That will not hide the hints I was talking about though (uptime, dir mod
time, ...) but it will provide you with a version unrelated to the bug
level.
Regards,
Willy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-04 23:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-04 10:09 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 10:11 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05 0:11 ` [Security] " Eugene Teo
2010-11-04 11:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 12:29 ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 13:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:33 ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 14:38 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 14:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-04 14:48 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 19:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 21:29 ` [Security] " Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 21:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 22:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 23:46 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2010-11-07 8:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 9:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 9:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:41 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 15:27 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-08 6:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 8:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 9:03 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20101104215157.GA25128@ <20101107090805.GA27983@elte.hu>
2010-11-13 13:06 ` Gilles Espinasse
2010-11-07 18:02 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 18:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-10 8:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11 2:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-11 7:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-05 2:38 ` Frank Rowand
2010-11-10 20:58 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05 0:20 ` Jesper Juhl
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