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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: security@kernel.org, Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>,
	mort@sgi.com, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, jason.wessel@windriver.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	tj@kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [Security] [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 00:46:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101104234633.GB31256@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101104223526.GC31236@1wt.eu>

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 11:35:26PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> > The point is to make it riskier to run exploits - not to 'hide version because we 
> > are so buggy'. Unprivileged attackers wont be able to know whether a kernel is 
> > unpatched and wont know whether trying an actual exploit triggers a silent alarm or 
> > not.
> 
> In my opinion, hiding the distro-specific part of the version should not cause
> too much harm, but still I find this useless.

BTW, if you want to hide the kernel version for the 99% distro kernels,
there's a very simple way to do that : just don't bump EXTRAVERSION nor
the build date in official builds. Keep it the same for all the product's
life, and provide the real name in a /proc entry that is only readable by
root by default. This will solve your issue with the exact kernel version
revealing pointers/bugs without hurting compatibility with user space
tools.

That will not hide the hints I was talking about though (uptime, dir mod
time, ...) but it will provide you with a version unrelated to the bug
level.

Regards,
Willy


  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-04 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-04 10:09 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 10:11 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05  0:11   ` [Security] " Eugene Teo
2010-11-04 11:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 12:29   ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 13:58     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:33         ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 14:38           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 14:43             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-04 14:48               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 19:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 21:29             ` [Security] " Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 21:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 22:35                 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 23:46                   ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2010-11-07  8:50                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:08                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:49                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:41                         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:47                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:56                             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:12                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:22                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:25                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:39                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:32                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:51                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 15:27                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-08  6:29                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:42                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:51                         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:55                             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07  8:56                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:03                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <20101104215157.GA25128@ <20101107090805.GA27983@elte.hu>
2010-11-13 13:06                 ` Gilles Espinasse
2010-11-07 18:02           ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 18:32             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-10  8:53               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11  2:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-11  7:05                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-05  2:38     ` Frank Rowand
2010-11-10 20:58       ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05  0:20 ` Jesper Juhl

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