From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
esandeen@redhat.com, jmoyer@redhat.com,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] clear PageError bit in msync & fsync
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:44:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101109214452.GH4936@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CD9BA08.2000002@redhat.com>
On Tue 09-11-10 16:15:52, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 11/09/2010 04:07 PM, Ted Ts'o wrote:
> >On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 02:33:29PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> >>
> >>There are essentially two possibilities:
> >>1) the VM can potentially be filled up with uncleanable dirty pages, or
> >>2) pages that hit an IO error are left in a clean state, so they can
> >> be reclaimed under memory pressure
> >>
> >>Alternative 1 could cause the entire system to deadlock, while
> >>option 2 puts the onus on userland apps to rewrite the data
> >>from a failed msync/fsync.
> >>
> >>Currently the VM has behaviour #2 which is preserved with my
> >>patch.
> >>
> >>The only difference with my patch is, we won't keep returning
> >>-EIO on subsequent, error free, msync or fsync calls to files
> >>that had an IO error at some previous point in the past.
> >
> >Do we guarantee that the application will get EIO at least once? I
> >thought there were issues where the error bit could get lost if the
> >page writeback was triggered by sync() run by a third-party
> >application.
>
> There is no such guarantee in the current kernel, either
> with or without my patch.
>
> A third application calling fsync or msync can get the
> EIO cleared, so the application that did the write does
> not see it.
>
> The VM could also reclaim the PageError page due to
> memory pressure, so the application calling fsync or
> msync does not see it.
What should be done in this case is that we set AS_EIO in the
page->mapping->flags like we currently do in fs/buffer.c.
> I see no good way in which we could guarantee that
> every process calling msync or fsync on a file that
> had an IO error in the past gets EIO once - at least,
> not without every one of them always getting EIO on
> the file even after the IO path is good again...
Yes, this is rather hard to do...
Honza
--
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-09 21:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-09 16:44 Rik van Riel
2010-11-09 18:09 ` Valerie Aurora
2010-11-09 19:21 ` Jeff Layton
2010-11-09 19:33 ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-09 21:07 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-09 21:15 ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-09 21:41 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-12 4:36 ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-12 15:52 ` Jeff Layton
2010-11-12 17:04 ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-09 21:44 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2010-11-11 16:31 ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-09 21:21 ` Zan Lynx
2010-11-09 21:24 ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-12 20:51 ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-12 21:36 ` Jeff Layton
2010-11-09 21:39 ` Jan Kara
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