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From: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	Roger Pau Monne <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	Julien Grall <julien.grall@linaro.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	"Boris Ostrovsky" <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH RFC] xen-block: correctly define structures in public headers
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:51:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131203155153.2b5488d2@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1386083821.13256.42.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com>

> > If Konrad and Boris agree that breaking the kernel's ABI in this way is
> > acceptable in this specific case, I'll defer to them.
> 
> My opinion as Xen on ARM hypervisor maintainer is that this is the right
> thing to do in this case.

Sounds to me like the difference between "product" and "research toy".
You don't break back compatibility in a product when you can avoid it.
You may wish the publically humiliate those responsible (Linus seems to)
but at the end of the day it's done.

Your boolean choice is a false one anyway - you can do at least three
different things

- Implement and tell people to use the new API, break everyone's PoC and
  deployed systems, prevent old kernels running on newer Xen and
  generally make users lose confidence in it

- Keep the erroneous API and live with the uglies

- Keep the erroneous API working but implement a new clean API (and
  possibly make misuse produce a one per boot whine about fixing your
  kernel)

The Linux approach has tended to be the last one most of the time,
coupled with Linus having a rant 8)

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-03 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-03 10:57 Roger Pau Monne
2013-12-03 11:01 ` David Vrabel
2013-12-03 11:07   ` [Xen-devel] " Paul Durrant
2013-12-03 11:08   ` Ian Campbell
2013-12-03 11:59     ` David Vrabel
2013-12-03 13:41       ` Ian Campbell
2013-12-03 15:11         ` David Vrabel
2013-12-03 15:17           ` Ian Campbell
2013-12-03 15:51             ` One Thousand Gnomes [this message]
2013-12-03 16:06               ` Ian Campbell
2013-12-03 20:11             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-12-04  9:28               ` Ian Campbell
2013-12-04  9:43                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-12-04 12:10                 ` Ian Campbell
2013-12-04 11:03               ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-12-04 11:33                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-12-11 16:18               ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-12-11 16:23                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-12-11 16:29                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-12-03 11:09   ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-12-03 11:05 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2013-12-03 11:11   ` Jan Beulich
2013-12-03 11:15     ` Ian Campbell
2013-12-03 11:14   ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-12-03 11:14 ` Jan Beulich
2013-12-03 11:18   ` Roger Pau Monné

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