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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Patch v4 1/2] freezer: check OOM kill while being frozen
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 01:46:58 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140909164658.GB11748@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140909160625.GC4851@dhcp22.suse.cz>

Hello,

On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 06:06:25PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > Even for userland tasks, try_to_freeze() can currently be anywhere in
> > the kernel.  The frequently used ones are few but there are some odd
> 
> I always thought that user space tasks can be in the fridge only on the
> way out from the kernel (get_signal_to_deliver). I have quickly greped

It *can* be anywhere.  We used to have some deep in nfs.  They got
removed later due to deadlocks but in theory they still can be
anywhere.

> the code and the only place I can see seems to be run_guest but that
> one bails out quickly when there are signals pending so it should be
> safe in this context.
> cifs is doing something suspicious (cifs_reconnect) but I didn't check
> more closely all the contexts it is called from.

Prolly something similar with what nfs was doing?

> > ones out, and, again, there's nothing enforcing any structure on
> > try_to_freeze() usage. 
> 
> Would it make sense to have try_to_freeze_user_task or similar and check
> for kernel thread in try_to_freeze and complain loudly if called from
> user task context? I mean does it even make sense to call try_to_freeze
> in the middle of kernel operation for a user task?

I personally think the whole try_to_freeze() was a mistake at least
for userland tasks.  We should have collected them in a (mostly)
single place like a jobctl stop.  I'm not sure whether distinguishing
the two interfaces would buy us much tho.

> > The other thing is that we may do quite a bit during exiting including
> > allocating memory. 
> 
> yes, we can allocate memory and even page fault on the exit path. But
> TIF_MEMDIE will make sure that the allocation will be successful if
> there is some memory left.

TIF_MEMDIE ensures forward progress so that the task can exit;
however, I'm not sure whether all the things that a task does during
exit are safe for PM freezes.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-09 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-04 22:30 Cong Wang
2014-09-04 22:30 ` [Patch v4 2/2] freezer: remove obsolete comments in __thaw_task() Cong Wang
2014-09-05  9:45   ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-05 14:09   ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 14:08 ` [Patch v4 1/2] freezer: check OOM kill while being frozen Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 16:31   ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 18:00     ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 18:12       ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 22:45         ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 23:32           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 17:40             ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 20:54               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 20:58                 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 21:53                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 22:22                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-08 22:48                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 22:50                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-08 23:15                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 23:00                             ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 23:23                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 23:16                                 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 23:42                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 23:29                                     ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 23:59                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10 20:30                                       ` Cong Wang
2014-09-10 23:38                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10 23:20                                           ` Cong Wang
2014-09-11 16:30                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-12 23:59                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-14 16:43                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-15  0:56                                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-15  3:34                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-15  9:36                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-16 22:55                                                     ` Cong Wang
2014-09-22  8:21                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 15:16                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 15:23                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 16:06                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 16:46                                 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2014-09-09 17:12                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 20:53                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10 13:24                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 13:08                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:17                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:04                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:26                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:10                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:32                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:28                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:52                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:45                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-14 16:39                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-12 23:48                                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-15 14:28                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-16  5:56                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 20:48                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10  5:21                                 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 16:43   ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 16:54     ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-15 11:22 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-16 22:58   ` Cong Wang

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