From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Patch v4 1/2] freezer: check OOM kill while being frozen
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 01:46:58 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140909164658.GB11748@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140909160625.GC4851@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Hello,
On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 06:06:25PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > Even for userland tasks, try_to_freeze() can currently be anywhere in
> > the kernel. The frequently used ones are few but there are some odd
>
> I always thought that user space tasks can be in the fridge only on the
> way out from the kernel (get_signal_to_deliver). I have quickly greped
It *can* be anywhere. We used to have some deep in nfs. They got
removed later due to deadlocks but in theory they still can be
anywhere.
> the code and the only place I can see seems to be run_guest but that
> one bails out quickly when there are signals pending so it should be
> safe in this context.
> cifs is doing something suspicious (cifs_reconnect) but I didn't check
> more closely all the contexts it is called from.
Prolly something similar with what nfs was doing?
> > ones out, and, again, there's nothing enforcing any structure on
> > try_to_freeze() usage.
>
> Would it make sense to have try_to_freeze_user_task or similar and check
> for kernel thread in try_to_freeze and complain loudly if called from
> user task context? I mean does it even make sense to call try_to_freeze
> in the middle of kernel operation for a user task?
I personally think the whole try_to_freeze() was a mistake at least
for userland tasks. We should have collected them in a (mostly)
single place like a jobctl stop. I'm not sure whether distinguishing
the two interfaces would buy us much tho.
> > The other thing is that we may do quite a bit during exiting including
> > allocating memory.
>
> yes, we can allocate memory and even page fault on the exit path. But
> TIF_MEMDIE will make sure that the allocation will be successful if
> there is some memory left.
TIF_MEMDIE ensures forward progress so that the task can exit;
however, I'm not sure whether all the things that a task does during
exit are safe for PM freezes.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-09 16:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-04 22:30 Cong Wang
2014-09-04 22:30 ` [Patch v4 2/2] freezer: remove obsolete comments in __thaw_task() Cong Wang
2014-09-05 9:45 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-05 14:09 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 14:08 ` [Patch v4 1/2] freezer: check OOM kill while being frozen Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 16:31 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 18:00 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 18:12 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 22:45 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-05 23:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 17:40 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 20:58 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 21:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 22:22 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-08 22:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 22:50 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-08 23:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 23:00 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 23:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 23:16 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 23:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-08 23:29 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-08 23:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10 20:30 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-10 23:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10 23:20 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-11 16:30 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-12 23:59 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-14 16:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-15 0:56 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-15 3:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-15 9:36 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-16 22:55 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-22 8:21 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 15:16 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 15:23 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 16:06 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 16:46 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2014-09-09 17:12 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 20:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10 13:24 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:04 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:10 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:28 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-11 14:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-11 14:45 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-14 16:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-12 23:48 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-15 14:28 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-16 5:56 ` Tejun Heo
2014-09-09 20:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-10 5:21 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 16:43 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-05 16:54 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-15 11:22 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-16 22:58 ` Cong Wang
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