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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, bristot@redhat.com, bsegall@google.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, jstultz@google.com,
	juri.lelli@redhat.com, longman@redhat.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	mingo@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, swood@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, vschneid@redhat.com, will@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 7/7] locking/rtmutex: Acquire the hb lock via trylock after wait-proxylock.
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 13:24:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230912112400.GG35261@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230912111711.DHVKG-B4@linutronix.de>

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 01:17:11PM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2023-09-11 16:11:35 [+0200], Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Aside from this being just plain gross, this also destroys determinism
> > of futex_pi, which completely defeats the purpose of the whole thing.
> 
> No objections here.
> 
> > Now.. the reason we need hb->lock at this point is to avoid the
> > wake_futex_pi() -EAGAIN case.
> > 
> > This happens when futex_top_waiter() and rt_mutex_top_waiter() state
> > becomes inconsistent. The current rules are such that this inconsistency
> > will not be observed.
> > 
> > Notably the case that needs to be avoided is where futex_lock_pi() and
> > futex_unlock_pi() interleave such that unlock will fail to observe a new
> > waiter.
> > 
> > *However* the case at hand is where a waiter is leaving, in this case
> > what happens is that we'll fail to observe a waiter that is already
> > gone, which is harmless afaict.
> 
> Sounds harmless. I sure something will be pop up in a few years and we
> will look back this ;)

Oh absolutely, I already hate this... It's dangerous as heck, because
if we ever do trip the race the other way around it will silently
misbehave.

However, compared to the other hack ... :-(


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-12 11:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-08 16:22 [PATCH v3 0/7] locking/rtmutex: Avoid PI state recursion through sched_submit_work() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] sched: Constrain locks in sched_submit_work() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] locking/rtmutex: Avoid unconditional slowpath for DEBUG_RT_MUTEXES Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] sched: Extract __schedule_loop() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] sched: Provide rt_mutex specific scheduler helpers Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] locking/rtmutex: Use " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] locking/rtmutex: Add a lockdep assert to catch potential nested blocking Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] locking/rtmutex: Acquire the hb lock via trylock after wait-proxylock Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-09 18:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-11 14:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 10:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:26       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-12 11:17     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-12 11:24       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-09-12 11:25       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-12 11:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:28         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-15 12:58     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-15 13:15       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-15 15:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-15 18:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 11:03         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36         ` [tip: locking/core] futex/pi: Fix recursive rt_mutex waiter state tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2024-01-15 11:40         ` [PATCH v3 7/7] locking/rtmutex: Acquire the hb lock via trylock after wait-proxylock Jiri Slaby
2024-01-15 11:52           ` Jiri Slaby
2024-01-15 12:16             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-01-15 12:54             ` Jiri Slaby
2024-01-15 15:32               ` Yann Ylavic
2024-01-15 18:33               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-01-16  7:07                 ` Jiri Slaby

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