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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	bristot@redhat.com, bsegall@google.com, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	jstultz@google.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com, longman@redhat.com,
	mgorman@suse.de, mingo@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	swood@redhat.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	vschneid@redhat.com, will@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 7/7] locking/rtmutex: Acquire the hb lock via trylock after wait-proxylock.
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:59:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877cor1cv3.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230915151943.GD6743@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Sep 15 2023 at 17:19, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 02:58:35PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> *However* the case at hand is where a waiter is leaving, in this case the race
> means a waiter that is going away is not observed -- which is harmless,
> provided this race is explicitly handled.
>
> This is a somewhat dangerous proposition because the converse race is not
> observing a new waiter, which must absolutely not happen. But since the race is
> valid this cannot be asserted.

Correct. But adding a new waiter requires to hold hb::lock which _IS_
held by the unlocking code when it deals with the outgoing race.

So I'm not too worried about it. 

> Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>
>  	/*
>  	 * If we failed to acquire the lock (deadlock/signal/timeout), we must
> -	 * first acquire the hb->lock before removing the lock from the
> -	 * rt_mutex waitqueue, such that we can keep the hb and rt_mutex wait
> -	 * lists consistent.
> +	 * must unwind the above, however we canont lock hb->lock because
> +	 * rt_mutex already has a waiter enqueued and hb->lock can itself try
> +	 * and enqueue an rt_waiter through rtlock.
> +	 *
> +	 * Doing the cleanup without holding hb->lock can cause inconsistent
> +	 * state between hb and pi_state, but only in the direction of not
> +	 * seeing a waiter that is leaving.
> +	 *
> +	 * See futex_unlock_pi(), it deals with this inconsistency.
> +	 *
> +	 * There be dragons here, since we must deal with the inconsistency on
> +	 * the way out (here), it is impossible to detect/warn about the race
> +	 * the other way around (missing an incoming waiter).
>  	 *
> -	 * In particular; it is important that futex_unlock_pi() can not
> -	 * observe this inconsistency.
> +	 * What could possibly go wrong...

If some code in the future tries to enqueue a waiter w/o holding
hb::lock then this corner case will be the least of our worries. There
are tons of other things which will insta go south.

Reviewed-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-15 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-08 16:22 [PATCH v3 0/7] locking/rtmutex: Avoid PI state recursion through sched_submit_work() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] sched: Constrain locks in sched_submit_work() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] locking/rtmutex: Avoid unconditional slowpath for DEBUG_RT_MUTEXES Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] sched: Extract __schedule_loop() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] sched: Provide rt_mutex specific scheduler helpers Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] locking/rtmutex: Use " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] locking/rtmutex: Add a lockdep assert to catch potential nested blocking Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36   ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-08 16:22 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] locking/rtmutex: Acquire the hb lock via trylock after wait-proxylock Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-09 18:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-11 14:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 10:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:26       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-12 11:17     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-12 11:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:25       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-12 11:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:28         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-15 12:58     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-15 13:15       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-15 15:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-15 18:59         ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2023-09-19 11:03         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-20  7:36         ` [tip: locking/core] futex/pi: Fix recursive rt_mutex waiter state tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2024-01-15 11:40         ` [PATCH v3 7/7] locking/rtmutex: Acquire the hb lock via trylock after wait-proxylock Jiri Slaby
2024-01-15 11:52           ` Jiri Slaby
2024-01-15 12:16             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-01-15 12:54             ` Jiri Slaby
2024-01-15 15:32               ` Yann Ylavic
2024-01-15 18:33               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-01-16  7:07                 ` Jiri Slaby

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