From: Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: David Kaplan <david.kaplan@amd.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
x86@kernel.org, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
Derek Manwaring <derekmn@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: MMIO and VERW
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 11:15:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250318181515.42jf2p5onoueeg3v@desk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250318173708.GFZ9mvROyNagmhawEV@fat_crate.local>
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 06:37:08PM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 09:56:45AM -0700, Pawan Gupta wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 05:34:51PM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 09:25:05AM -0700, Pawan Gupta wrote:
> > > > Rocket Lake, Comet Lake, Ice Lake with tsx=off only require VERW at
> > > > VMENTER. There are other MMIO affected CPUs that are not affected by MDS
> > > > and do not support TSX or disable it by default.
> > >
> > > So all those CPUs are only affected by MMIO and not affected by neither of
> > > those:
> > >
> > > TAA, RFDS, MDS
> >
> > That is correct, they are not affected by MDS, TAA and RFDS.
> >
> > > Or is that the case only when TSX is not enabled/not present there?
> >
> > As per the affected CPU table [1], Ice Lake is not affected by TAA even if
> > TSX is enabled.
>
> That table is insane - I need at least 4 monitors to stare at it properly. :-P
:D Totally agree. A machine readable format is here:
https://github.com/intel/Intel-affected-processor-list/blob/main/Intel_affected_processor_list.csv
> Anyway, so I'm wondering if we special-case those CPUs and have them select
> a special
>
> MMIO_MITIGATION_VERW_VM
>
> case and keep them separate from that whole
> CPUs-can-be-affected-by-multiple-vulns and the mitigation for all of them is
> VERW.
>
> They will enable mmio_stale_data_clear and will be out of the equation.
>
> Which will make this other logic simpler.
Likely yes, I will give this a shot and see how it compares with the
currrent implementation. Thanks for the suggestion.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-18 18:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-10 16:39 [PATCH v4 00/36] Attack vector controls David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 01/36] x86/bugs: Restructure mds mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 02/36] x86/bugs: Restructure taa mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 03/36] x86/bugs: Restructure mmio mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-13 9:36 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-13 14:19 ` Kaplan, David
2025-03-13 19:26 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-03-18 14:16 ` MMIO and VERW Borislav Petkov
2025-03-18 16:25 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-03-18 16:34 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-18 16:56 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-03-18 17:37 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-18 18:15 ` Pawan Gupta [this message]
2025-03-18 18:55 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-24 9:29 ` [PATCH v4 03/36] x86/bugs: Restructure mmio mitigation Borislav Petkov
2025-03-24 17:41 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-03-25 11:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 04/36] x86/bugs: Restructure rfds mitigation David Kaplan
2025-04-10 16:24 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-14 19:10 ` Kaplan, David
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 05/36] x86/bugs: Remove md_clear_*_mitigation() David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 06/36] x86/bugs: Restructure srbds mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 07/36] x86/bugs: Restructure gds mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 08/36] x86/bugs: Restructure spectre_v1 mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 09/36] x86/bugs: Only allow retbleed=stuff on Intel David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 10/36] x86/bugs: Restructure retbleed mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 11/36] x86/bugs: Restructure spectre_v2_user mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-12 9:49 ` kernel test robot
2025-04-10 16:26 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-14 19:20 ` Kaplan, David
2025-04-10 16:41 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-14 19:20 ` Kaplan, David
2025-04-14 23:48 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-15 14:56 ` Kaplan, David
2025-03-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 12/36] x86/bugs: Restructure bhi mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 13/36] x86/bugs: Restructure spectre_v2 mitigation David Kaplan
2025-04-10 17:08 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-14 19:25 ` Kaplan, David
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 14/36] x86/bugs: Restructure ssb mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 15/36] x86/bugs: Restructure l1tf mitigation David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 16/36] x86/bugs: Restructure srso mitigation David Kaplan
2025-04-10 17:38 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-14 21:12 ` Kaplan, David
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 17/36] Documentation/x86: Document the new attack vector controls David Kaplan
2025-04-10 18:14 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-14 21:15 ` Kaplan, David
2025-04-14 23:51 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-15 14:59 ` Kaplan, David
2025-04-15 15:32 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-15 16:10 ` Kaplan, David
2025-04-15 16:47 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-15 17:06 ` Kaplan, David
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 18/36] cpu: Define attack vectors David Kaplan
2025-04-10 18:12 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-14 21:20 ` Kaplan, David
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 19/36] x86/Kconfig: Arch attack vector support David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 20/36] x86/bugs: Determine relevant vulnerabilities based on attack vector controls David Kaplan
2025-03-12 11:32 ` kernel test robot
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 21/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for mds David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 22/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for taa David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 23/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for mmio David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 24/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for rfds David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 25/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for srbds David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 26/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for gds David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 27/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for spectre_v1 David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 28/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for retbleed David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 29/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for spectre_v2_user David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 30/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for bhi David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 31/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for spectre_v2 David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 32/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for l1tf David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 33/36] x86/bugs: Add attack vector controls for srso David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 34/36] x86/pti: Add attack vector controls for pti David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 35/36] x86/bugs: Print enabled attack vectors David Kaplan
2025-03-10 16:40 ` [PATCH v4 36/36] cpu: Show attack vectors in sysfs David Kaplan
2025-03-10 18:45 ` [PATCH v4 00/36] Attack vector controls Ingo Molnar
2025-03-10 20:46 ` Kaplan, David
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