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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 15:08:17 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <345e890e65907e03674e8f1850f5c73f707d5a36.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <diqzikju4ko7.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com>
On Mon, 2025-07-14 at 12:49 -0700, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> I'm onboard here. So "do nothing" means if there is a TDX unmap failure,
>
> + KVM_BUG_ON() and hence the TD in question stops running,
> + No more conversions will be possible for this TD since the TD
> stops running.
> + Other TDs can continue running?
> + No refcounts will be taken for the folio/page where the memory failure
> happened.
> + No other indication (including HWpoison) anywhere in folio/page to
> indicate this happened.
Yea.
> + To round this topic up, do we do anything else as part of "do nothing"
> that I missed? Is there any record in the TDX module (TDX module
> itself, not within the kernel)?
We should keep this as an option for how to change the TDX module to make this
solution safer. For future arch things, we should maybe pursue something that
works for TDX connect too, which could be more complicated.
>
> I'll probably be okay with an answer like "won't know what will happen",
I have not exhaustively looked at that there won't be cascading failures. I
think it's reasonable given this is a bug case which we already have a way to
catch with a warning.
> but just checking - what might happen if this page that had an unmap
> failure gets reused?
>
The TDX module has this thing called the PAMT which records how each physical
page is in use. If KVM tries to re-add the page, the SEAMCALL will check PAMT,
see it is not in the NDA (Not directly assigned) state, and give an error
(TDX_OPERAND_PAGE_METADATA_INCORRECT). This is part of the security enforcement.
> Suppose the KVM_BUG_ON() is noted but somehow we
> couldn't get to the machine in time and the machine continues to serve,
> and the memory is used by
>
> 1. Some other non-VM user, something else entirely, say a database?
We are in a "there is a bug" state at this point, which means stability should
not be expected to be as good. But it should be optimistically ok to re-use the
page as long as the TD is not re-entered, or otherwise actuated via SEAMCALL.
> 2. Some new non-TDX VM?
Same as (1)
> 3. Some new TD?
As above, the TDX module should prevent this.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-15 15:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 294+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-24 3:00 [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 01/21] KVM: gmem: Allocate 2M huge page from guest_memfd backend Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 02/21] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 7:48 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 8:41 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25 6:51 ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25 7:19 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:52 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 9:05 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:10 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-19 9:26 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-23 9:32 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 2:16 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-16 9:07 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08 8:48 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08 13:55 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:29 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 22:06 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 23:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 23:31 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 2:23 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-09 14:08 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 03/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2025-04-25 7:12 ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25 7:17 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25 7:25 ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25 9:24 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 8:26 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:28 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 2:23 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 21:15 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/21] KVM: TDX: Enforce 4KB mapping level during TD build Time Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 7:55 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 8:49 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 9:16 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 10:05 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/21] KVM: TDX: Enhance tdx_clear_page() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:17 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 2:02 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/21] KVM: TDX: Assert the reclaimed pages were mapped as expected Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:25 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 2:11 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/21] KVM: TDX: Add a helper for WBINVD on huge pages with TD's keyID Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 8:37 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-16 3:10 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:29 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 3:03 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-29 0:17 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-04-29 0:49 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-29 13:46 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06 0:53 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 5:08 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06 6:04 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 13:18 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-07 7:37 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-07 14:56 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-08 1:30 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-08 14:10 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09 3:20 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 14:20 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09 23:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-10 0:41 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-12 21:59 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12 2:15 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 16:53 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15 3:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-04 20:02 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 2:42 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 21:12 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 10:43 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 23:27 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-11 14:30 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-16 9:59 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 0:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17 1:38 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 15:52 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 0:19 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18 0:41 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-23 9:27 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-23 18:20 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
[not found] ` <draft-diqzh606mcz0.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com>
2025-06-23 22:48 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 10:18 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-24 21:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:00 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 23:30 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25 0:01 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25 7:29 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 23:09 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25 23:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26 15:16 ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-26 22:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-27 17:59 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 11:13 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 17:55 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-30 19:25 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 5:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 5:22 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 6:03 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 7:13 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:15 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 22:09 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 11:24 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 18:43 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-03 4:54 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-14 19:32 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 16:13 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 21:48 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 21:57 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:37 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 20:57 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:51 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 21:19 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-11 1:46 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-11 5:12 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-11 16:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-14 19:49 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-15 15:08 ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2025-07-15 22:31 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 9:08 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:28 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 5:07 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 22:01 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:47 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 9:35 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 13:32 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:02 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 15:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 16:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 8:54 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:12 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25 7:08 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 22:54 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:03 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17 0:25 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17 2:00 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 3:51 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17 6:52 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 8:09 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17 9:57 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18 4:25 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18 0:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 0:46 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18 4:33 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18 6:13 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18 6:21 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18 6:32 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18 6:44 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18 6:57 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18 4:29 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-19 0:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 2:47 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 22:35 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19 8:11 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-20 18:06 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-16 1:23 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-16 20:57 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18 5:49 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22 5:33 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22 6:37 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22 17:55 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 19:00 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 21:44 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Enable 2MB mapping size after TD is RUNNABLE Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:10 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 1:35 ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-16 9:43 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-05-16 23:47 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 8:32 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-05-20 9:34 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:47 ` Huang, Kai
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2025-06-24 9:57 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-25 9:28 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 9:36 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-26 0:50 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-26 8:53 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 0:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 2:41 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-07-02 0:12 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 0:18 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 1:07 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:26 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 3:31 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 13:47 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25 15:51 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 1:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 11:32 ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-20 16:32 ` Sean Christopherson
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2025-06-20 18:40 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 19:26 ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-13 2:41 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-13 3:29 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13 5:35 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13 6:08 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-21 15:40 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-22 3:52 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-23 23:40 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-27 1:31 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:34 ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-21 2:35 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 9:28 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:15 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 4:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:50 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 3:57 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 17:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20 10:11 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/21] KVM: x86: Add "vcpu" "gfn" parameters to x86 hook private_max_mapping_level Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 12/21] KVM: TDX: Determine max mapping level according to vCPU's ACCEPT level Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:20 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 6:12 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-16 6:30 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:02 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 6:39 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:17 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 13/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 14/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Invoke split_external_spt hook with exclusive mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:06 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 9:17 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:11 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 4:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:21 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20 5:40 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20 9:40 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 15/21] KVM: TDX: Support huge page splitting with exclusive kvm->mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 6:18 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20 9:40 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:47 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 16/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_boundary_leafs() to split boundary leafs Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:56 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 7:46 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 8:03 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:27 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 8:12 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 11:44 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 17/21] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 18/21] KVM: x86: Split huge boundary leafs before private to shared conversion Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 23:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12 2:25 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 21:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 19/21] KVM: gmem: Split huge boundary leafs for punch hole of private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:19 ` Francesco Lavra
2025-04-25 1:55 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:59 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 8:19 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 20/21] KVM: x86: Force a prefetch fault's max mapping level to 4KB for TDX Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:20 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 8:43 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-21 3:30 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-21 5:03 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 21/21] KVM: x86: Ignore splitting huge pages in fault path " Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 6:40 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 7:35 ` [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 8:33 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 9:05 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 9:08 ` Juergen Gross
2025-04-24 9:49 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:39 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
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