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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
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	"Zhao, Yan Y" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Enable 2MB mapping size after TD is RUNNABLE
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:44:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7312b64e94134117f7f1ef95d4ccea7a56ef0402.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFWM5P03NtP1FWsD@google.com>

On Fri, 2025-06-20 at 09:31 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2025, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > > >    when an EPT violation carries an ACCEPT level info
> > > >    KVM maps the page at map level <= the specified level.
> > 
> > No.  I want KVM to map at the maximal level KVM supports, irrespective of what
> > the guest's ACCEPT level says.  I.e. I want KVM to be able to completely ignore
> > the ACCEPT level.

This is what I was thinking, but I'm starting to think it might not be a good
idea.

The PAGE_SIZE_MISMATCH error code asymmetry is indeed weird. But "accepted" is
in some important ways a type of permission that is controllable by both the
guest and host. To change the ABI and guests such that the permission is still
controlled by the host and guest, but the allowed granularity is only
controllable by the host, feels wrong in a couple ways.

First, it turns host mapping details into guest ABI that could break guests that
rely on it. Second, it bets that there will never be a need for guests to set
the accept state on a specific smaller granularity. Otherwise, this path would 
just be a temporary shortcut and not about components imposing things that are
none of their business.

Instead I think the two impositions that matter here are:
1. TDX requires size to be passed through the generic fault handler somehow.
2. TDX demote is hard to make work under mmu read lock (already working on this
one)

Sean, were the two options for (1) really that bad? Or how do you think about
changing directions in general and we can try to find some other options?

On the subject of alternates to (1). I wonder if the ugly part is that both of
the options sort of break the KVM model where the TDP is not the real backing
state. TDG.MEM.PAGE.ACCEPT is kind of two things, changing the "permission" of
the memory *and* the mapping of it. TDX module asks, map this at this page size
so that I can map it at the right permission. KVM would rather learn that the
permission from the backing GPA info (memslots, etc) and then map it at it's
correct page size. Like what happens with kvm_lpage_info->disallow_lpage.

Maybe we could have EPT violations that contain 4k accept sizes first update the
attribute for the GFN to be accepted or not, like have tdx.c call out to set
kvm_lpage_info->disallow_lpage in the rarer case of 4k accept size? Or something
like that. Maybe set a "accepted" attribute, or something. Not sure if could be
done without the mmu write lock... But it might fit KVM better?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-23 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 294+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-24  3:00 [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 01/21] KVM: gmem: Allocate 2M huge page from guest_memfd backend Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 02/21] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:48   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:41     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  6:51   ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  7:19     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:52   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  9:05     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:10       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-19  9:26       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-23  9:32         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15  2:16   ` Chao Gao
2025-05-16  9:07     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08  8:48   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08 13:55     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:29       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:32         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 22:06           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 23:16             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 23:31               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09  2:23       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-09 14:08         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 03/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  7:12   ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  7:17     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  7:25       ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  9:24         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:19   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15  8:26     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:28       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:23         ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 21:15         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/21] KVM: TDX: Enforce 4KB mapping level during TD build Time Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:55   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:49     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:12   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15  9:16     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:32       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 10:05         ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/21] KVM: TDX: Enhance tdx_clear_page() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:17   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:02     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/21] KVM: TDX: Assert the reclaimed pages were mapped as expected Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:25   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:11     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:34       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/21] KVM: TDX: Add a helper for WBINVD on huge pages with TD's keyID Yan Zhao
2025-05-06  8:37   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-16  3:10     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:29   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  3:03     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:35       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-29  0:17   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-04-29  0:49     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-29 13:46       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06  0:53         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06  5:08           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06  6:04             ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 13:18               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-07  7:37                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-07 14:56                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-08  1:30                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-08 14:10                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09  3:20                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 14:20                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09 23:45                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-10  0:41                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-12 21:59                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12  2:15                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 16:53                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15  3:01                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-04 20:02                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05  2:42                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 21:12                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 10:43                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 23:27                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-11 14:30                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-16  9:59                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  0:12                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  1:38                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 15:52                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  0:19                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  0:41                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-23  9:27                                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-23 18:20                                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
     [not found]                                                       ` <draft-diqzh606mcz0.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com>
2025-06-23 22:48                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 10:18                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-24 21:29                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:22                                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:00                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:14                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 23:30                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25  0:01                                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25  7:29                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 23:09                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25 23:19                                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26 15:16                                                                     ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-26 22:19                                                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-27 17:59                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 11:13                                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 17:55                                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-30 19:25                                                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:45                                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  5:01                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  5:22                                                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  6:03                                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  7:13                                                                                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:15                                                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 22:09                                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 11:24                                                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 18:43                                                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-03  4:54                                                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-14 19:32                                                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 16:13                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 21:48                                                                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 21:57                                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:37                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 20:57                                                                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:51                                                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 21:19                                                                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-11  1:46                                                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-11  5:12                                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-11 16:14                                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-14 19:49                                                                                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-15 15:08                                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-15 22:31                                                                                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02  9:08                                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:28                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  5:07                                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 22:01                                                                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:26                                                                                     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:47                                                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  9:35                                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 13:32                                                                                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:02                                                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 15:42                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 16:14                                                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  8:54                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:12                                                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25  7:08                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 22:54                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:03                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  0:25                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  2:00                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  3:51                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17  6:52                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  8:09                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17  9:57                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:25                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  0:34                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  0:46                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:33                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:13                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  6:21                                                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:32                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  6:44                                                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:57                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:29                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-19  0:22                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05  2:47                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 22:35                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19  8:11                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-20 18:06                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-16  1:23                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-16 20:57                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18  5:49                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22  5:33                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22  6:37                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22 17:55                                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 19:00                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 21:44                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Enable 2MB mapping size after TD is RUNNABLE Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:10   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  1:35     ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-16  9:43       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:35         ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-16 23:47           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  8:32           ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 16:53             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20  9:34               ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:47                 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-11 14:42                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-12 23:39                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13  0:25                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  0:44                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13  0:47                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  1:32                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13 21:53                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13 22:19                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13 23:33                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-16  3:14                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 22:49                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  0:52                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  0:30                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-20 16:31                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-23 21:44                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2025-06-24  9:57                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-24 18:35                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25  9:28                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25  9:36                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 14:48                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26  0:50                                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 14:47                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26  8:53                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  0:42                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  2:41                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 15:36                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  0:12                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02  0:18                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  1:07                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:26                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  3:31                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 13:47                                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25 15:51                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  1:22                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 11:32                                               ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-20 16:32                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 17:44                                                   ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-20 18:40                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 19:26                                                       ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-13  2:41                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-13  3:29                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13  5:35                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13  6:08                           ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-21 15:40                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-22  3:52                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-23 23:40                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-27  1:31                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:34             ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-21  2:35               ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16  9:28     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:15   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  4:01     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:50       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  3:57         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 17:42           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/21] KVM: x86: Add "vcpu" "gfn" parameters to x86 hook private_max_mapping_level Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 12/21] KVM: TDX: Determine max mapping level according to vCPU's ACCEPT level Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  6:12     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-16  6:30     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:02       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  6:39         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:17           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 13/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 14/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Invoke split_external_spt hook with exclusive mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:06   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  9:17     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:11       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  4:01         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:21           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20  5:40   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20  9:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 15/21] KVM: TDX: Support huge page splitting with exclusive kvm->mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-20  6:18   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20  9:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:47   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 16/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_boundary_leafs() to split boundary leafs Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:56   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  7:46     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16  8:03       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:27         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  8:12           ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 11:44       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:16         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 17/21] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 18/21] KVM: x86: Split huge boundary leafs before private to shared conversion Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 23:34   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12  2:25     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 21:53       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 19/21] KVM: gmem: Split huge boundary leafs for punch hole of private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:19   ` Francesco Lavra
2025-04-25  1:55     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:59   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  8:19     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 20/21] KVM: x86: Force a prefetch fault's max mapping level to 4KB for TDX Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  8:43     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-21  3:30   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-21  5:03     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 21/21] KVM: x86: Ignore splitting huge pages in fault path " Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:58   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  6:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:33   ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  9:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  9:08       ` Juergen Gross
2025-04-24  9:49       ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:39         ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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