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From: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>
To: davids@webmaster.com
Cc: mr.fred.smoothie@gmail.com,
	"Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers.
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:30:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4416C590.5040509@aitel.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKOEAJKLAB.davids@webmaster.com>

David Schwartz wrote:

>  
>
>>In Static Controls, the issue was a 55 byte program to calculate the
>>level of toner in a cartridge. The court ruled that the program design
>>of the TLP was so constrained by external factors (the efficient
>>execution of a small number of calculations) that any other
>>implementation would have been impractical.
>>    
>>
>
>	Exactly. And this is precisely what is happening here. The kernel headers
>are small in comparison to the kernel. And external factors are such that
>there is no other way to create kernel modules other than by using the
>kernel headers.
>  
>
Smaller than the kernel, but still big.  These are not 55 bytes.
And the kernel headers are not unique either.  You can make
many changes and still be able to use them for a driver.

>>Linux is a completely different matter, directly analogous to Apple's
>>OS in the court's analysis. There are no such external factors
>>dictating the form of the kernel's facilities for integrating new
>>functionality.
>>    
>>
>
>	You are saying there are practical ways to develop kernel modules other
>than using the kernel headers?
>  
>
Many of these interfaces are published.  Buy a linux device driver
book and write your own headers - possibly with different names
for the types involved.  Structs or just a bunch of variables in a
certain order?  Your call again.  You won't get everything this way,
but you don't need everything to write one driver.

Then there is reverse engineering.  More work, but certainly
feasible seeing how many linux drivers were written this way.

Helge Hafting

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-14 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-08  9:35 Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08  9:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 10:03   ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:23     ` Martin Mares
2006-03-08 14:34       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-08 11:11     ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 13:07       ` Diego Calleja
2006-03-09 15:17       ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:22         ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:56         ` Michael Concannon
2006-03-09  9:21     ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-10  8:03     ` Matthias Andree
2006-03-13 23:06     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-14  0:00       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-15  0:50       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-15  9:18         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-08 19:41   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-03-08  9:57 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-08 10:27 ` Al Viro
2006-03-08 10:52   ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:55     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-08 11:02       ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-14  3:02         ` Jon Masters
     [not found]           ` <20060313223520.113bc6d0.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14  3:35             ` sean
2006-03-08 11:40     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-03-08 12:00       ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-09 15:32       ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-08 14:59     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-08 21:54       ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-03-09  4:41       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 10:02         ` Dave Airlie
2006-03-09 10:42           ` Rudolf Randal
2006-03-09 11:22             ` DervishD
2006-03-09 12:13               ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-09 18:34               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-03-10  8:19                 ` DervishD
2006-03-09 22:04           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 11:41         ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2006-03-09 22:12           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 15:13         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:11           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 23:30             ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-10  1:04               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09  9:26     ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09 15:09 ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:29   ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:49     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-03-09 17:33     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 18:25       ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-09 20:22         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 21:32           ` marty fouts
2006-03-11  0:54           ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11  1:01             ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-11  9:16             ` DervishD
2006-03-11  9:52               ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11 11:43               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-11 12:07                 ` DervishD
2006-03-12 17:09                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  2:19                   ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 16:16                     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 21:57                       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 13:30                         ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2006-03-12  3:57             ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  5:16               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13  5:25                 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13  8:20                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-13 21:57                   ` David Schwartz
     [not found]                     ` <20060314032447.6be9af0a.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14  8:24                       ` sean
2006-03-14 10:46                         ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 21:42                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-13  9:24                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 17:16                   ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 22:08                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 21:57                   ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 20:15       ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 21:30         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:06           ` Lee Revell
2006-03-10  2:57           ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-10  4:25             ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 22:21       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-08 21:28 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-08 21:32 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-03-09  0:20 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-13 11:17   ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-13 15:19     ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-13 15:53       ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  6:02 Matt Reuther
2006-03-13  9:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 22:00 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 22:32   ` Lee Revell
2006-03-14  0:02     ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 19:00 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:25   ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:31     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:46       ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 23:06   ` Bernd Petrovitsch

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