From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: <bernd@firmix.at>
Cc: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers.
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:57:40 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKKEAJKLAB.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1142241857.19650.27.camel@tara.firmix.at>
> Since you got the package from RedHat (or subsidiaries or several people
> in between), you are bound by the GPL since neither RedHat nor the
> several people in between as any different access to the kernel-sources
> than via GPL. And they can't change it.
> So you got it under the rules of the GPL.
This is a common misconception. The GPL *never* bings the recipient of a
GPL'd work until and unless he agrees to it. You can find this made quite
clear on the FSF's web site.
> > 4) Copyright does not allow you to own every way to do some
> specific thing,
> Copyright/authors rights allows me to own *my way* of doing it. And if
> you derive your work on mine, it depends on the quality and quantity
> *if* you have any copyright/authors rights on you patch and how the
> joined work must be treated legally.
> In the Linux kernel, dozens (if not hundreds) of people have
> copyrighted/authored righted code in there so.
The claim here is not that one way to make an NE2000 work with Linux 2.6 is
owned but that *every* way to do that is owned. This is impossible under
copyright. You can certainly own one specific way to make an NE2000 work
with linux 2.6 (that would be a copyrighted driver), but you cannot use
copyright to prevent anyone from implementing a particular function.
> > you need a patent for that. Any application that uses library X or any
> > driver for kernel Y is a specific thing. Copyright only applies
> > when there
> If there was a binary in-kernel API, yes.
> But a) there is no "officially" one and b) we have no "libraries" (in
> the sense of the GPL) here.
It doesn't matter. You cannot protect a function with copyright. If there
is only one practical way to get a particular function, nobody can use
copyright to own it. Read Lexmark v. Static Controls or goole for "copyright
lock out".
> > are numerous ways to do the same thing or express the same
> > idea. Drivers for
> > different operating systems are different ideas. You cannot use
> > copyright to
> > lock out someone from doing a particular thing, only from doing
> > that thing
> > the same way you did.
> No, you can't even lock someone out to do the same thing. You can only
> lock someone out to base his thing on your thing (but you can't hinder a
> reimplementation - you need a patent for this [and a jurisdiction which
> allows software patents]).
You cannot lock someone out from basing their think on your thing, if that
is the only practical way to express a particular idea. See Lexmark v.
Static Controls, among other cases.
> > 6) All of this is copyright law and applies whether or not
> > anyone agrees to
> > the GPL or any other agreement, so nothing those agreements
> > says can change
> > this.
> This is a common misunderstanding: If you change the rules of the GPL,
> you automatically loose all rights you received with the GPL[0]
Huh? I'm not changing anything. And I'm not talking about any rights
received with the GPL, I'm talking about rights granted by law under first
sale and scenes a faire.
DS
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2006-03-08 9:35 Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 9:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 10:03 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:23 ` Martin Mares
2006-03-08 14:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-08 11:11 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 13:07 ` Diego Calleja
2006-03-09 15:17 ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:22 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:56 ` Michael Concannon
2006-03-09 9:21 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-10 8:03 ` Matthias Andree
2006-03-13 23:06 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-14 0:00 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-15 0:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-15 9:18 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-08 19:41 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-03-08 9:57 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-08 10:27 ` Al Viro
2006-03-08 10:52 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-08 11:02 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-14 3:02 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <20060313223520.113bc6d0.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14 3:35 ` sean
2006-03-08 11:40 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-03-08 12:00 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-09 15:32 ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-08 14:59 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-08 21:54 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-03-09 4:41 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 10:02 ` Dave Airlie
2006-03-09 10:42 ` Rudolf Randal
2006-03-09 11:22 ` DervishD
2006-03-09 12:13 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-09 18:34 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-03-10 8:19 ` DervishD
2006-03-09 22:04 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 11:41 ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2006-03-09 22:12 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 15:13 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:11 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 23:30 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-10 1:04 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 9:26 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09 15:09 ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:29 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:49 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-03-09 17:33 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 18:25 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-09 20:22 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 21:32 ` marty fouts
2006-03-11 0:54 ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11 1:01 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-11 9:16 ` DervishD
2006-03-11 9:52 ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11 11:43 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-11 12:07 ` DervishD
2006-03-12 17:09 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 2:19 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 16:16 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 21:57 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 13:30 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-12 3:57 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 5:16 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 5:25 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 8:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-13 21:57 ` David Schwartz
[not found] ` <20060314032447.6be9af0a.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14 8:24 ` sean
2006-03-14 10:46 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 21:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-13 9:24 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 17:16 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 22:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 21:57 ` David Schwartz [this message]
2006-03-09 20:15 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 21:30 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:06 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-10 2:57 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-10 4:25 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 22:21 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-08 21:28 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-08 21:32 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-03-09 0:20 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-13 11:17 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-13 15:19 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-13 15:53 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 6:02 Matt Reuther
2006-03-13 9:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 22:00 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 22:32 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-14 0:02 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 19:00 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:25 ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:31 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:46 ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 23:06 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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