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From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: <bernd@firmix.at>
Cc: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers.
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:57:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKKEAJKLAB.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1142241857.19650.27.camel@tara.firmix.at>


> Since you got the package from RedHat (or subsidiaries or several people
> in between), you are bound by the GPL since neither RedHat nor the
> several people in between as any different access to the kernel-sources
> than via GPL. And they can't change it.
> So you got it under the rules of the GPL.

	This is a common misconception. The GPL *never* bings the recipient of a
GPL'd work until and unless he agrees to it. You can find this made quite
clear on the FSF's web site.

> > 	4) Copyright does not allow you to own every way to do some
> specific thing,

> Copyright/authors rights allows me to own *my way* of doing it. And if
> you derive your work on mine, it depends on the quality and quantity
> *if* you have any copyright/authors rights on you patch and how the
> joined work must be treated legally.
> In the Linux kernel, dozens (if not hundreds) of people have
> copyrighted/authored righted code in there so.

	The claim here is not that one way to make an NE2000 work with Linux 2.6 is
owned but that *every* way to do that is owned. This is impossible under
copyright. You can certainly own one specific way to make an NE2000 work
with linux 2.6 (that would be a copyrighted driver), but you cannot use
copyright to prevent anyone from implementing a particular function.

> > you need a patent for that. Any application that uses library X or any
> > driver for kernel Y is a specific thing. Copyright only applies
> > when there

> If there was a binary in-kernel API, yes.
> But a) there is no "officially" one and b) we have no "libraries" (in
> the sense of the GPL) here.

	It doesn't matter. You cannot protect a function with copyright. If there
is only one practical way to get a particular function, nobody can use
copyright to own it. Read Lexmark v. Static Controls or goole for "copyright
lock out".

> > are numerous ways to do the same thing or express the same
> > idea. Drivers for
> > different operating systems are different ideas. You cannot use
> > copyright to
> > lock out someone from doing a particular thing, only from doing
> > that thing
> > the same way you did.

> No, you can't even lock someone out to do the same thing. You can only
> lock someone out to base his thing on your thing (but you can't hinder a
> reimplementation - you need a patent for this [and a jurisdiction which
> allows software patents]).

	You cannot lock someone out from basing their think on your thing, if that
is the only practical way to express a particular idea. See Lexmark v.
Static Controls, among other cases.

> > 	6) All of this is copyright law and applies whether or not
> > anyone agrees to
> > the GPL or any other agreement, so nothing those agreements
> > says can change
> > this.

> This is a common misunderstanding: If you change the rules of the GPL,
> you automatically loose all rights you received with the GPL[0]

	Huh? I'm not changing anything. And I'm not talking about any rights
received with the GPL, I'm talking about rights granted by law under first
sale and scenes a faire.

	DS



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-13 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-08  9:35 Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08  9:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 10:03   ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:23     ` Martin Mares
2006-03-08 14:34       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-08 11:11     ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 13:07       ` Diego Calleja
2006-03-09 15:17       ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:22         ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:56         ` Michael Concannon
2006-03-09  9:21     ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-10  8:03     ` Matthias Andree
2006-03-13 23:06     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-14  0:00       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-15  0:50       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-15  9:18         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-08 19:41   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-03-08  9:57 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-08 10:27 ` Al Viro
2006-03-08 10:52   ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:55     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-08 11:02       ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-14  3:02         ` Jon Masters
     [not found]           ` <20060313223520.113bc6d0.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14  3:35             ` sean
2006-03-08 11:40     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-03-08 12:00       ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-09 15:32       ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-08 14:59     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-08 21:54       ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-03-09  4:41       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 10:02         ` Dave Airlie
2006-03-09 10:42           ` Rudolf Randal
2006-03-09 11:22             ` DervishD
2006-03-09 12:13               ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-09 18:34               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-03-10  8:19                 ` DervishD
2006-03-09 22:04           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 11:41         ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2006-03-09 22:12           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 15:13         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:11           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 23:30             ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-10  1:04               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09  9:26     ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09 15:09 ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:29   ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:49     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-03-09 17:33     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 18:25       ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-09 20:22         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 21:32           ` marty fouts
2006-03-11  0:54           ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11  1:01             ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-11  9:16             ` DervishD
2006-03-11  9:52               ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11 11:43               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-11 12:07                 ` DervishD
2006-03-12 17:09                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  2:19                   ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 16:16                     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 21:57                       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 13:30                         ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-12  3:57             ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  5:16               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13  5:25                 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13  8:20                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-13 21:57                   ` David Schwartz
     [not found]                     ` <20060314032447.6be9af0a.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14  8:24                       ` sean
2006-03-14 10:46                         ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 21:42                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-13  9:24                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 17:16                   ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 22:08                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 21:57                   ` David Schwartz [this message]
2006-03-09 20:15       ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 21:30         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:06           ` Lee Revell
2006-03-10  2:57           ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-10  4:25             ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 22:21       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-08 21:28 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-08 21:32 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-03-09  0:20 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-13 11:17   ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-13 15:19     ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-13 15:53       ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  6:02 Matt Reuther
2006-03-13  9:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 22:00 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 22:32   ` Lee Revell
2006-03-14  0:02     ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 19:00 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:25   ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:31     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:46       ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 23:06   ` Bernd Petrovitsch

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