From: "Anshuman Gholap" <anshu.pg@gmail.com>
To: "Matthias Schniedermeyer" <ms@citd.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:30:25 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec92bc30603080400t5a4baf75v86cf6e11a4d464ed@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <440EC2BA.7010108@citd.de>
thanks mathhais, this made huge sense to me.
I will soon going to get a laptop ( centrino duo models are looking
great, but kindof out_of_my budget). I will see the vendors who dont
have native linux drivers are not in that model, as a non-developer,
this is the only thing in_my_hand.
i have no idea why did i make the horrible decision to get dlink
router and pcmcia card, where as the linksys set has a working (some
ppl complain) native driver support for its cards. wish i can turn the
clock back.
again, thank you mattias for putting it into nice prespective :)
Regards,
Anshu.
On 3/8/06, Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de> wrote:
> Anshuman Gholap wrote:
> > well ya, I knew i was running the risk to be labelled like that, cause
> > i thought to talk of this issue, more shake is needed that just stir.
> >
> > please dont get me wrong (even though i think most of you already
> > have), i own my graditude for the livelihood i am having to
> > linux,linus and co.
>
> To get to the point of the others binary-only-discussions.
>
> You only see that you can't use a device today.
> I know that is annoying, but you have to see the "big picture":
>
> Less hostility regarding binary-only drivers would lead to a "flood" of
> binary-only-drivers which are undebuggable and unmaintanable by the kernel
> developers. IOW you would be at the mercy of the vendor of the device to
> make a compatible driver in the future.
>
> But there is a planet-size catch:
> Vendors think in money. So if you have a device that is end of line most
> vendors couldn't care less if you can't use it anymore with current systems.
> Given that the vendor is still in business after all!
>
> So instead of having a paper-weight today you will have it a few years later.
> I don't see the big difference.
>
> IOW. A "new" device may be working today, but will be a paper-weight
> later.
> Whereas an "old" device will be a paper-weight today, if the vendor only
> provided binary-only drivers "back then" when it was "new".
>
> In contrast most times you have an OSS-driver it will work "indefinetly",
> as it can be maintained over the years.
>
> It's all a shifting of who is hurt and when. In the long run the current
> model should be working better and better. Whereas binary-only drivers
> would destroy/undermine the achievements we have now.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as
> bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No, the Real Programmer
> wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated,
> cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous.
>
>
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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-03-08 9:35 Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 9:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 10:03 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:23 ` Martin Mares
2006-03-08 14:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-08 11:11 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 13:07 ` Diego Calleja
2006-03-09 15:17 ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:22 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:56 ` Michael Concannon
2006-03-09 9:21 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-10 8:03 ` Matthias Andree
2006-03-13 23:06 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-14 0:00 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-15 0:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-15 9:18 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-08 19:41 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-03-08 9:57 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-08 10:27 ` Al Viro
2006-03-08 10:52 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-08 11:02 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-14 3:02 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <20060313223520.113bc6d0.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14 3:35 ` sean
2006-03-08 11:40 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-03-08 12:00 ` Anshuman Gholap [this message]
2006-03-09 15:32 ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-08 14:59 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-08 21:54 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-03-09 4:41 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 10:02 ` Dave Airlie
2006-03-09 10:42 ` Rudolf Randal
2006-03-09 11:22 ` DervishD
2006-03-09 12:13 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-09 18:34 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-03-10 8:19 ` DervishD
2006-03-09 22:04 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 11:41 ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2006-03-09 22:12 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 15:13 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:11 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 23:30 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-10 1:04 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 9:26 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09 15:09 ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:29 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:49 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-03-09 17:33 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 18:25 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-09 20:22 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 21:32 ` marty fouts
2006-03-11 0:54 ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11 1:01 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-11 9:16 ` DervishD
2006-03-11 9:52 ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11 11:43 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-11 12:07 ` DervishD
2006-03-12 17:09 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 2:19 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 16:16 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 21:57 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 13:30 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-12 3:57 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 5:16 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 5:25 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 8:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-13 21:57 ` David Schwartz
[not found] ` <20060314032447.6be9af0a.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-03-14 8:24 ` sean
2006-03-14 10:46 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 21:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-13 9:24 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 17:16 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 22:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 21:57 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 20:15 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 21:30 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:06 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-10 2:57 ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-10 4:25 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 22:21 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-08 21:28 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-08 21:32 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-03-09 0:20 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-13 11:17 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-13 15:19 ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-13 15:53 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 6:02 Matt Reuther
2006-03-13 9:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 22:00 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 22:32 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-14 0:02 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 19:00 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:25 ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:31 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:46 ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 23:06 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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