From: Luo Gengkun <luogengkun2@huawei.com>
To: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>, <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
<peterz@infradead.org>, <bsegall@google.com>, <mgorman@suse.de>,
<vschneid@redhat.com>, <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
<juri.lelli@redhat.com>, <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Chen Yu <chen.yu@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: : [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2026 16:31:31 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <60a02a7a-22ba-47d3-8bc6-e3eba6f7b4c7@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84f81335-796b-4eef-9d01-510af9d9cf14@intel.com>
On 2026/7/31 14:58, Chen, Yu C wrote:
> On 7/31/2026 12:57 AM, Tim Chen wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>>>
>>> When talking about mm->sc_stat.lock, I found an issue that may be
>>> worth paying attention. Below is the relevant code snippet:
>>>
>>> task_tick_cache()
>>> {
>>> ...
>>> /* avoid moving backwards */
>>> if (time_after_eq(mm->sc_stat.epoch, epoch))
>>> return;
>>>
>>> guard(raw_spinlock)(&mm->sc_stat.lock);
>>>
>>> if (work->next == work) {
>>> task_work_add(p, work, TWA_RESUME);
>>> WRITE_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch, epoch);
>>> }
>>> ..
>>> }
>>> Actually, I don't think time_after_eq() can effectively avoid moving
>>> backwards because this check is performed entirely outside the
>>> protection of the spinlock. The following sequence diagram describes
>>> this race condition in detail:
>>>
>>> Thread A (CPU 0) Thread B (CPU 1)
>>> ============================ ============================
>>> [ Initial State: mm->sc_stat.epoch = 90 ]
>>> task_tick_cache() task_tick_cache()
>>> | |
>>> +-> Read rq->cpu_epoch = 100 +-> Read rq->cpu_epoch = 101
>>> | |
>>> +-> Lockless Check (90, 100) -> PASS +-> Lockless Check (90, 101) -> PASS
>>> | |
>>> | +-> Acquires lock first
>>> | +-> Writes mm->sc_stat.epoch = 101
>>> | +-> Releases lock
>>> | [ mm->sc_stat.epoch is now 101 ]
>>> |
>>> +-> Acquires lock
>>> |
>>> +-> work->next == work (STILL TRUE!
>>> | Because cache_work is per-thread, Thread B's
>>> | submission cannot clear Thread A's local state)
>>> |
>>> +-> WRITE_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch, 100) !!! <-- BUG: Epoch moves backwards!
>>
>>
>> That would not happen because in __update_mm_sched(), Thread A will be
>> reading the updated rq->cpu_epoch and again check
>> whether time is moving backwards and will skip the update if
>> that's the case.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe the backward comment in the code was a little confusing.
> The "avoid moving backwards" logic was introduced to prevent a negative
> timeout value in commit df0d98475954:
>
> if (epoch - READ_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch) > EPOCH_LLC_AFFINITY_TIMEOUT)
>
> That is to say, by design, we want mm->sc_stat.epoch to chase after the
> CPU's epoch and never jump ahead of any CPU's epoch. Otherwise, the subtraction
> above could result in a huge value.
>
> Later, in commit c1e7fe5e75ed, that negative delta was avoided by:
>
> if ((long)(epoch - READ_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch))
> So now, mm->sc_stat.epoch is only best-effort to not go backward. If it
> actually does go backward, in my opinion it’s not a big deal.
>
> thanks,
> Chenyu
>
>
Thank you for your clarifying explanation :)
Gengkun
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-31 8:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-23 4:04 [PATCH v8 0/2] Cache aware scheduling: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work Luo Gengkun
2026-07-23 4:04 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus Luo Gengkun
2026-07-27 1:09 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-28 8:53 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-28 12:08 ` : " Chen Yu
2026-07-29 9:19 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-29 13:48 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-29 18:29 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30 2:22 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30 13:40 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-30 16:57 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-31 6:58 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-31 8:31 ` Luo Gengkun [this message]
2026-07-28 20:16 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-23 4:04 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add trace event and sched feature to track scan cost Luo Gengkun
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