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From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Luo Gengkun <luogengkun2@huawei.com>
Cc: <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>, <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	<rostedt@goodmis.org>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<bsegall@google.com>, <mgorman@suse.de>, <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	<kprateek.nayak@amd.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<mingo@redhat.com>, <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	<vincent.guittot@linaro.org>, Chen Yu <chen.yu@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: : [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 21:48:19 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81e3a13f-6f08-414d-aa29-86fb022aac49@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8b7cd508-3b89-4fc0-85fd-5a8d35ed06ca@huawei.com>

On 7/29/2026 5:19 PM, Luo Gengkun wrote:
>>> However, is there a possibility that the current task_cache_work() 
>>> execution
>>> hasn't finished yet when the next scan window arrives? For instance, 
>>> if the
>>> current task work is heavily delayed or preempted by unexpected 
>>> interrupt,
>>> jiffies could advance past next_scan before the loop completes.
>>> If we move the `work->next = work;` to the very end of 
>>> task_cache_work(),
>>> would that resolve this issue? By doing so, the existing `work->next 
>>> == work`
>>> check in task_tick_cache() should fail and no new task work will be 
>>> submitted.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if I'm missing something.
>>>
>>
>> There are two layers of protection: first a cheap timeout gate 
>> (time_before)
>> that skips scanning until the next period, and then a try_cmpxchg that 
>> atomically
>> picks a single winner among the threads that pass the timeout — this 
>> actually
>> guarantees only one scanner per mm at a time, no?
> 
> What I am worried about is the following scenario:
> 
> Thread A (CPU 0)                             Thread B (CPU 1)
> ================                             ================
> task_cache_work()
>    |
>    +-> try_cmpxchg() == true
>    |   (Sets next_scan = now + 10)
>    |
>    +-> Enters Scanning Loop (jiffies = 100)
>    |   [ Delayed / Preempted ]
>    |   jiffies advances 100 -> 115.
>    |   Thread A STILL in the loop!
>    |                                          task_cache_work() (jiffies 
> = 115)
> 
>    |                                            |
>    |                                            +-> next_scan == 110 
> (pass timeout check)
> 
>    |                                            |
>    |                                            +-> try_cmpxchg() == true
> 
>    |                                            |   (Sets next_scan = 
> 115 + 10)
>    |                                            |
> 
> In other words, concurrent execution of task_cache_work() from two 
> adjacent periods can
> occur under extreme conditions; 

Nice, this sequence is very clear, thanks.

> do we need to take this scenario into 
> consideration?
> 
> Perhaps we need an explicit state flag (e.g., using test_and_set_bit) to 
> ensure
> that the previous task_cache_work() execution has fully completed before 
> allowing
> a new thread to proceed, regardless of whether the next scan window has 
> arrived.
> What do you think?
> 

The scan iterates over a lock-free snapshot of visited_cpus, so even if
account_mm_sched() concurrently adds more bits, missing them is acceptable.
The same goes for concurrent shrinking by task_cache_work(). That is to say,
in this rare case, a "duplicated" cpumask_clear() in fraction_mm_sched()
might be tolerated IMO. How about adjusting the comment from
/* only 1 thread is allowed to scan */
to
/* elect a single scanner per epoch */
in your next version?
thanks,
Chenyu


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-23  4:04 [PATCH v8 0/2] Cache aware scheduling: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work Luo Gengkun
2026-07-23  4:04 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus Luo Gengkun
2026-07-27  1:09   ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-28  8:53     ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-28 12:08       ` : " Chen Yu
2026-07-29  9:19         ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-29 13:48           ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2026-07-29 18:29           ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30  2:22             ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30 13:40               ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-30 16:57                 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-31  6:58                   ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-31  8:31                     ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-28 20:16   ` Tim Chen
2026-07-23  4:04 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add trace event and sched feature to track scan cost Luo Gengkun

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