From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Luo Gengkun <luogengkun2@huawei.com>
Cc: <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>, <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
<peterz@infradead.org>, <bsegall@google.com>, <mgorman@suse.de>,
<vschneid@redhat.com>, <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
<juri.lelli@redhat.com>, <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Chen Yu <chen.yu@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: : [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:58:15 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <84f81335-796b-4eef-9d01-510af9d9cf14@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94e4418e7545df9509a0b8bd1233c0b00184455d.camel@linux.intel.com>
On 7/31/2026 12:57 AM, Tim Chen wrote:
[ ... ]
>>
>> When talking about mm->sc_stat.lock, I found an issue that may be
>> worth paying attention. Below is the relevant code snippet:
>>
>> task_tick_cache()
>> {
>> ...
>> /* avoid moving backwards */
>> if (time_after_eq(mm->sc_stat.epoch, epoch))
>> return;
>>
>> guard(raw_spinlock)(&mm->sc_stat.lock);
>>
>> if (work->next == work) {
>> task_work_add(p, work, TWA_RESUME);
>> WRITE_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch, epoch);
>> }
>> ..
>> }
>> Actually, I don't think time_after_eq() can effectively avoid moving
>> backwards because this check is performed entirely outside the
>> protection of the spinlock. The following sequence diagram describes
>> this race condition in detail:
>>
>> Thread A (CPU 0) Thread B (CPU 1)
>> ============================ ============================
>> [ Initial State: mm->sc_stat.epoch = 90 ]
>>
>> task_tick_cache() task_tick_cache()
>>
>> | |
>> +-> Read rq->cpu_epoch = 100 +-> Read rq->cpu_epoch = 101
>>
>> | |
>> +-> Lockless Check (90, 100) -> PASS +-> Lockless Check (90, 101) -> PASS
>>
>> | |
>> | +-> Acquires lock first
>> | +-> Writes mm->sc_stat.epoch = 101
>> | +-> Releases lock
>> | [ mm->sc_stat.epoch is now 101 ]
>> |
>> +-> Acquires lock
>> |
>> +-> work->next == work (STILL TRUE!
>> | Because cache_work is per-thread, Thread B's
>> | submission cannot clear Thread A's local state)
>> |
>> +-> WRITE_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch, 100) !!! <-- BUG: Epoch moves backwards!
>
>
> That would not happen because in __update_mm_sched(), Thread A will be
> reading the updated rq->cpu_epoch and again check
> whether time is moving backwards and will skip the update if
> that's the case.
>
>
Maybe the backward comment in the code was a little confusing.
The "avoid moving backwards" logic was introduced to prevent a negative
timeout value in commit df0d98475954:
if (epoch - READ_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch) > EPOCH_LLC_AFFINITY_TIMEOUT)
That is to say, by design, we want mm->sc_stat.epoch to chase after the
CPU's epoch and never jump ahead of any CPU's epoch. Otherwise, the
subtraction
above could result in a huge value.
Later, in commit c1e7fe5e75ed, that negative delta was avoided by:
if ((long)(epoch - READ_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.epoch))
So now, mm->sc_stat.epoch is only best-effort to not go backward. If it
actually does go backward, in my opinion it’s not a big deal.
thanks,
Chenyu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-31 6:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-23 4:04 [PATCH v8 0/2] Cache aware scheduling: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work Luo Gengkun
2026-07-23 4:04 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus Luo Gengkun
2026-07-27 1:09 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-28 8:53 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-28 12:08 ` : " Chen Yu
2026-07-29 9:19 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-29 13:48 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-29 18:29 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30 2:22 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30 13:40 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-30 16:57 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-31 6:58 ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2026-07-31 8:31 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-28 20:16 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-23 4:04 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add trace event and sched feature to track scan cost Luo Gengkun
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