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From: Luo Gengkun <luogengkun2@huawei.com>
To: Chen Yu <chen.yu@linux.dev>
Cc: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>, <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	<dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>, <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	<peterz@infradead.org>, <bsegall@google.com>, <mgorman@suse.de>,
	<vschneid@redhat.com>, <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
	<juri.lelli@redhat.com>, <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: : [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:19:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8b7cd508-3b89-4fc0-85fd-5a8d35ed06ca@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <amibxHlQibJhdjjf@three-body>



On 2026/7/28 20:08, Chen Yu wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 04:53:59PM +0800, Luo Gengkun wrote:
>>
>> On 2026/7/27 9:09, Chen, Yu C wrote:
>>> On 7/23/2026 12:04 PM, Luo Gengkun wrote:
>>>
>>> [ ... ]
>>>
>>>>        guard(raw_spinlock_irqsave)(&rq->cpu_epoch_lock);
>>>>        __update_mm_sched(rq, pcpu_sched);
>>>> +    /* Skip the rq that has not been hit for a long time */
>>>> +    if ((rq->cpu_epoch - pcpu_sched->epoch_last_visit) > llc_epoch_affinity_timeout) {
>>>
>>> In v2 there is a check if the cpu has been set before writing:
>>> cpumask_test_cpu(cpu_of(rq), &mm->sc_stat.visited_cpus)
>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260414150745.225416-1-luogengkun2@huawei.com/
>>> do we need to bring that back?
>>>
>> I don't think we need it back. Here is why:
>>
>> In v2, for_each_cpu was used instead of for_each_cpu_and in the inner loop,
>> meaning some CPUs being checked might not have been set. Therefore,
>> cpumask_test_cpu was necessary to filter out those cases.
>>
>> Now, with for_each_cpu_and(i, sched_domain_span(sd), &mm->sc_stat.visited_cpus),
>> we can ensure each scanned CPU is set, so the issue no longer exists.
>> Furthermore, the only place where the visited_cpus bits are cleared is
>> task_cache_work(), which is only called once per scan period, there is no
>> risk of the bit being cleared concurrently mid-loop.
>>
> 
> Make sense.
>   
>> However, is there a possibility that the current task_cache_work() execution
>> hasn't finished yet when the next scan window arrives? For instance, if the
>> current task work is heavily delayed or preempted by unexpected interrupt,
>> jiffies could advance past next_scan before the loop completes.
>> If we move the `work->next = work;` to the very end of task_cache_work(),
>> would that resolve this issue? By doing so, the existing `work->next == work`
>> check in task_tick_cache() should fail and no new task work will be submitted.
>>
>> Please let me know if I'm missing something.
>>
> 
> There are two layers of protection: first a cheap timeout gate (time_before)
> that skips scanning until the next period, and then a try_cmpxchg that atomically
> picks a single winner among the threads that pass the timeout — this actually
> guarantees only one scanner per mm at a time, no?

What I am worried about is the following scenario:

Thread A (CPU 0)                             Thread B (CPU 1)
================                             ================
task_cache_work()
   |
   +-> try_cmpxchg() == true
   |   (Sets next_scan = now + 10)
   |
   +-> Enters Scanning Loop (jiffies = 100)
   |   [ Delayed / Preempted ]
   |   jiffies advances 100 -> 115.
   |   Thread A STILL in the loop!
   |                                          task_cache_work() (jiffies = 115)

   |                                            |
   |                                            +-> next_scan == 110 (pass timeout check)

   |                                            |
   |                                            +-> try_cmpxchg() == true

   |                                            |   (Sets next_scan = 115 + 10)
   |                                            |

In other words, concurrent execution of task_cache_work() from two adjacent periods can
occur under extreme conditions; do we need to take this scenario into consideration?

Perhaps we need an explicit state flag (e.g., using test_and_set_bit) to ensure
that the previous task_cache_work() execution has fully completed before allowing
a new thread to proceed, regardless of whether the next scan window has arrived.
What do you think?

thanks,
Gengkun

> 
> thanks,
> Chenyu

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-23  4:04 [PATCH v8 0/2] Cache aware scheduling: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work Luo Gengkun
2026-07-23  4:04 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus Luo Gengkun
2026-07-27  1:09   ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-28  8:53     ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-28 12:08       ` : " Chen Yu
2026-07-29  9:19         ` Luo Gengkun [this message]
2026-07-29 13:48           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-29 18:29           ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30  2:22             ` Tim Chen
2026-07-30 13:40               ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-30 16:57                 ` Tim Chen
2026-07-31  6:58                   ` Chen, Yu C
2026-07-31  8:31                     ` Luo Gengkun
2026-07-28 20:16   ` Tim Chen
2026-07-23  4:04 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add trace event and sched feature to track scan cost Luo Gengkun

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