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From: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Benjamin Blum <bblum@google.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, paulmck <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	oleg <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] Makes procs file writable to move all threads by tgid  at once
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 04:24:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6599ad830908060424r72e1aa12g2b246785e7bc039c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1249556540.32113.191.camel@twins>

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Peter Zijlstra<a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
>
> Taking that many locks in general, some apps (JVM based usually) tend to
> be thread heavy and can easily have hundreds of them, even on relatively

Oh, I'm well aware that apps can be heavily multi-threaded - we have
much worse cases at Google.

>
> Now that's not real nice is it ;-)

Not particularly - but who exactly is going to be moving processes
with thousands of threads between cgroups on a lockdep-enabled debug
kernel?

>
>> But given that AFAICS we can eliminate the overhead associated with a
>> single lock by piggy-backing on the cache line containing
>> sighand->count, hopefully this won't be an issue any more.
>
> Right, so this is a write rarely, read frequently thing, which suggests
> an RCU like approach where the readers pay a minimum synchronization
> penalty.

The documentation for SRCU mentions:

        Therefore, SRCU should be used in preference to rw_semaphore
        only in extremely read-intensive situations, or in situations
        requiring SRCU's read-side deadlock immunity or low read-side
        realtime latency.

What benefits does the additional complexity of SRCU give, over the
simple solution of putting an rwsem in the same cache line as
sighand->count ?

Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-06 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-31  1:51 [PATCH v2 0/6] CGroups: cgroup memberlist enhancement+fix Ben Blum
2009-07-31  1:51 ` [PATCH 1/6] Adds a read-only "procs" file similar to "tasks" that shows only unique tgids Ben Blum
2009-07-31  1:51 ` [PATCH 2/6] Ensures correct concurrent opening/reading of pidlists across pid namespaces Ben Blum
2009-07-31  1:51 ` [PATCH 3/6] Quick vmalloc vs kmalloc fix to the case where array size is too large Ben Blum
2009-07-31  1:51 ` [PATCH 4/6] Changes css_set freeing mechanism to be under RCU Ben Blum
2009-07-31  1:51 ` [PATCH 5/6] Lets ss->can_attach and ss->attach do whole threadgroups at a time Ben Blum
2009-08-03  2:22   ` Li Zefan
2009-08-04  0:35     ` Benjamin Blum
2009-07-31  1:51 ` [PATCH 6/6] Makes procs file writable to move all threads by tgid at once Ben Blum
2009-08-03  3:00   ` Li Zefan
2009-08-04  0:56     ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-04  1:05       ` Paul Menage
2009-08-04  1:11         ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-04  1:09       ` Li Zefan
2009-08-04  1:19         ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-04  1:45           ` Li Zefan
2009-08-04  1:55             ` Paul Menage
2009-08-03 17:54   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-03 18:07     ` Paul Menage
2009-08-03 18:13     ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-03 18:55       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-03 19:45         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-03 19:55           ` Paul Menage
2009-08-04 14:01             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-04 21:40             ` Matt Helsley
2009-08-04 18:48           ` Paul Menage
2009-08-04 19:01             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-04 19:14             ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-04 19:28               ` Paul Menage
2009-08-05 10:20                 ` Louis Rilling
2009-08-05 16:11                   ` Paul Menage
2009-08-05 16:42                     ` Louis Rilling
2009-08-05 16:53                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06  0:01                       ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-06  9:58                         ` Louis Rilling
2009-08-06 10:04                           ` Louis Rilling
2009-08-06 10:28                           ` Paul Menage
2009-08-06 10:34                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 10:42                               ` Paul Menage
2009-08-06 11:02                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 11:24                                   ` Paul Menage [this message]
2009-08-06 11:39                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 15:19                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-08-06 15:24                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 15:37                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-08-06 11:24                             ` Louis Rilling
2009-08-06 11:40                               ` Paul Menage
2009-08-06 14:54                                 ` Louis Rilling
2009-08-08  1:41                                 ` Benjamin Blum
2009-08-08  1:51                                   ` Benjamin Blum

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