From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org,
x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] locking: Revert switching guards to _irq_{disable,enable}()
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2026 00:59:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877bldhkmq.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aozw_7Txxaq2qE7c@tardis.local>
On Mon, Aug 24 2026 at 18:33, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 12:55:23PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>
>> While the guards are properly nested, not all wrapped code is nice, as already
>> highlighted by that fair.c hunk.
>>
>> Syzbot found another instance of this pattern in posix_timer_delete(), which
>> does spin_unlock_irq()+spin_lock_irq() inside scoped_guard(spinlock_irq).
>> Combined with this patch, that goes sideways most spectacular.
>>
>> Undo this change, until we've developed stronger tools / debug for such issues.
>>
>
> Mainly hand-waving, but if we make _irq(), irqsave(), _disable()
> __acquires() different contexts, we may be able to catch these issues at
> compile time. I will explore a bit on this.
No.
Just do a wholesale conversion of all functions which affect the CPU
interrupt disabled state directly (local_irq_*) and indirectly (locking
functions etc.)
Anything else is just a whack a mole game.
TBH, I do not understand why you thought that you can get away with this
lazy approach especially after you discovered the same nasty problem in
do_sched_cfs_period_timer(). The resolution of that got buried in
1b0866874833 ("locking: Switch to _irq_{disable,enable}() variants in cleanup guards")
without even being mentioned.
When I was discussing the non-sensical syzbot messages earlier today
with Peter it immediately occurred to me that this undocumented change in
do_sched_cfs_period_timer() is not the only pattern which causes this to
go belly up. It took me five seconds to find the posix timer one.
TBH, my hope really was that the RUST people take the only valid
engineering principle "Correctness first" serious, but sadly they seem
to be the same lazy sods than everyone else who want to push their
agenda through no matter what.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-25 22:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-04 16:14 [PATCH v4 00/17] Refcounted interrupt disable and SpinLockIrq for Rust Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] preempt: Track NMI nesting to separate per-CPU counter Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Joel Fernandes
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] preempt: Introduce HARDIRQ_DISABLE_BITS Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 6:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-05 6:59 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] preempt: Introduce __preempt_count_{sub,add}_return() Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] openrisc: Include <linux/cpumask.h> in smp.h Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Lyude Paul
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 18:20 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 18:26 ` [PATCH v4.1 " Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-10 8:57 ` [tip: locking/core] irq,spin_lock: " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 20:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] irq & spin_lock: " Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-04 21:08 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 6:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-05 7:07 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 7:09 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-05 7:19 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 13:53 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 14:10 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-05 14:20 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 14:56 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-05 15:11 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 16:53 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-05 17:38 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 18:07 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] irq: Add KUnit test for refcounted interrupt enable/disable Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Lyude Paul
2026-08-10 8:57 ` tip-bot2 for Lyude Paul
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] locking: Switch to _irq_{disable,enable}() variants in cleanup guards Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-10 8:57 ` tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-24 10:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-24 10:55 ` [PATCH] locking: Revert switching guards to _irq_{disable,enable}() Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-24 11:01 ` [tip: locking/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-25 1:33 ` [PATCH] " Boqun Feng
2026-08-25 22:59 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-08-25 23:28 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-25 23:48 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-26 1:33 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-27 8:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-08-27 13:14 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-27 15:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-08-27 16:52 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-27 18:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-08-27 19:41 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-27 22:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-08-28 1:56 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-28 6:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-27 20:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-08-27 21:33 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-28 6:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-28 8:22 ` David Laight
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] sched: Remove the unused preempt_offset parameter of __cant_sleep() Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-10 8:57 ` tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] sched: Avoid signed comparison of preempt_count() in __cant_migrate() Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-10 8:57 ` tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] preempt: Introduce HAS_SEPARATE_PREEMPT_RESCHED_BITS Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 20:11 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-05 6:54 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-05 7:15 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-05 7:27 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-06 0:58 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 21:09 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-04 23:14 ` Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-10 8:57 ` tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] arm64: sched/preempt: Enable HAS_SEPARATE_PREEMPT_RESCHED_BITS Boqun Feng
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-10 8:57 ` tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] s390/preempt: " Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 20:27 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-05 9:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-05 12:37 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-08-08 20:48 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Heiko Carstens
2026-08-10 8:57 ` tip-bot2 for Heiko Carstens
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] rust: Introduce interrupt module Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] rust: helper: Add spin_{un,}lock_irq_{enable,disable}() helpers Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] rust: sync: Use super::* in spinlock.rs Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Boqun Feng
2026-08-04 16:14 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] rust: sync: Introduce SpinLockIrq::lock_with() and friends Boqun Feng
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