From: "Chen, Zide" <zide.chen@intel.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>,
Das Sandipan <Sandipan.Das@amd.com>,
Shukla Manali <Manali.Shukla@amd.com>,
Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
Falcon Thomas <thomas.falcon@intel.com>,
Xudong Hao <xudong.hao@intel.com>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 5/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Support PERF_METRICS MSR in mediated vPMU
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2026 17:59:59 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <98d89bcd-d058-4ede-a94b-65c1da1d7a75@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eR5nDOgJoLh14Q_t_w2Ea25QP-74DdgJ93J2=CAS3O8Gw@mail.gmail.com>
On 7/24/2026 4:37 PM, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 1:47 PM Chen, Zide <zide.chen@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/23/2026 10:15 PM, Jim Mattson wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 4:44 PM Chen, Zide <zide.chen@intel.com> wrote:
>>>> The SDM guidance that "fixed counter 3 must be restored before
>>>> PERF_METRICS" appears to apply only to a running PMU, which is not the
>>>> case here.
>>>
>>> That's not my reading of the SDM. There are three bullet points about
>>> save/restore at the end of volume 3, section 22.3.9.3:
>>>
>>> * PERF_METRICS and fixed-function performance-monitoring counter 3
>>> should be saved and restored together.
>>> * To ensure that PERF_METRICS and fixed-function
>>> performance-monitoring counter 3 remain synchronized,
>>> both should be disabled during both save and restore. Software should
>>> enable/disable them atomically, with a
>>> single write to IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL to set/clear both
>>> EN_PERF_METRICS[bit 48] and
>>> EN_FIXED_CTR3[bit 35].
>>> * On state restore, fixed-function performance-monitoring counter 3
>>> must be restored before PERF_METRICS,
>>> otherwise undefined results may be observed.
>>>
>>> The second bullet contradicts your claim above.
>>
>> Thanks for pointing this out. I followed up with an internal ucode
>> expert, and my earlier explanation was incorrect.
>>
>> The ordering requirement is not dependent on whether the PMU is enabled.
>> The relevant recalculation happens on the WRMSR itself, so the SDM
>> guidance to restore fixed counter 3 before PERF_METRICS still applies
>> even when counting is disabled.
>>
>> That said, for the code path being discussed, both PERF_METRICS and
>> fixed counter 3 are written with 0. I was advised that this specific
>> all-zero case still converges to the intended hardware state regardless
>> of write order, so the write ordering here does not affect the final result.
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for the correction.
>
> At the very least, the reliance on an undocumented exception to the
> requirement stated in the SDM warrants an explicit comment.
Yes, will do.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-24 23:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-29 23:19 [PATCH V6 0/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Add hardware Topdown metrics support Zide Chen
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 1/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Do not map fixed counters >= 3 to generic perf events Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:13 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 21:51 ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 2/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Support Intel fixed counter 3 on mediated vPMU Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:16 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 22:17 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 15:36 ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-23 19:19 ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 3/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Rename and move vcpu_get_perf_capabilities() to pmu.h Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:18 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 22:47 ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 4/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Snapshot host IA32_PERF_CAPABILITIES in kvm_host Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:19 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 22:58 ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 5/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Support PERF_METRICS MSR in mediated vPMU Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:20 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 23:05 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 16:30 ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-23 17:59 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 23:44 ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-24 3:15 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-24 20:47 ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-24 21:37 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-24 22:59 ` Chen, Zide [this message]
2026-07-26 15:49 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-27 15:34 ` Chen, Zide
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 6/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Move RDPMC emulation into per-vendor callbacks Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:23 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 23:19 ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 7/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Emulate RDPMC on performance metrics Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:23 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23 0:02 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 1:44 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23 2:25 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 2:52 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23 3:10 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 5:47 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23 16:33 ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-23 19:08 ` Chen, Zide
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 8/8] KVM: selftests: Add PERF_METRICS and fixed counter 3 tests Zide Chen
2026-06-30 2:36 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-09 12:35 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-10 8:08 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-10 14:52 ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-13 6:57 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-10 15:22 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-13 7:11 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-14 5:11 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-14 5:28 ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-14 17:06 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-21 19:17 ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-21 19:48 ` Jim Mattson
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