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From: "Chen, Zide" <zide.chen@intel.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>,
	Das Sandipan <Sandipan.Das@amd.com>,
	Shukla Manali <Manali.Shukla@amd.com>,
	Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
	Falcon Thomas <thomas.falcon@intel.com>,
	Xudong Hao <xudong.hao@intel.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 5/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Support PERF_METRICS MSR in mediated vPMU
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2026 17:59:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98d89bcd-d058-4ede-a94b-65c1da1d7a75@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eR5nDOgJoLh14Q_t_w2Ea25QP-74DdgJ93J2=CAS3O8Gw@mail.gmail.com>



On 7/24/2026 4:37 PM, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 1:47 PM Chen, Zide <zide.chen@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/23/2026 10:15 PM, Jim Mattson wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 4:44 PM Chen, Zide <zide.chen@intel.com> wrote:
>>>> The SDM guidance that "fixed counter 3 must be restored before
>>>> PERF_METRICS" appears to apply only to a running PMU, which is not the
>>>> case here.
>>>
>>> That's not my reading of the SDM. There are three bullet points about
>>> save/restore at the end of volume 3, section 22.3.9.3:
>>>
>>> * PERF_METRICS and fixed-function performance-monitoring counter 3
>>> should be saved and restored together.
>>> * To ensure that PERF_METRICS and fixed-function
>>> performance-monitoring counter 3 remain synchronized,
>>> both should be disabled during both save and restore. Software should
>>> enable/disable them atomically, with a
>>> single write to IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL to set/clear both
>>> EN_PERF_METRICS[bit 48] and
>>> EN_FIXED_CTR3[bit 35].
>>> * On state restore, fixed-function performance-monitoring counter 3
>>> must be restored before PERF_METRICS,
>>> otherwise undefined results may be observed.
>>>
>>> The second bullet contradicts your claim above.
>>
>> Thanks for pointing this out. I followed up with an internal ucode
>> expert, and my earlier explanation was incorrect.
>>
>> The ordering requirement is not dependent on whether the PMU is enabled.
>> The relevant recalculation happens on the WRMSR itself, so the SDM
>> guidance to restore fixed counter 3 before PERF_METRICS still applies
>> even when counting is disabled.
>>
>> That said, for the code path being discussed, both PERF_METRICS and
>> fixed counter 3 are written with 0. I was advised that this specific
>> all-zero case still converges to the intended hardware state regardless
>> of write order, so the write ordering here does not affect the final result.
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for the correction.
> 
> At the very least, the reliance on an undocumented exception to the
> requirement stated in the SDM warrants an explicit comment.

Yes, will do.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-24 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-29 23:19 [PATCH V6 0/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Add hardware Topdown metrics support Zide Chen
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 1/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Do not map fixed counters >= 3 to generic perf events Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:13   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 21:51   ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 2/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Support Intel fixed counter 3 on mediated vPMU Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:16   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 22:17   ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 15:36     ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-23 19:19       ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 3/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Rename and move vcpu_get_perf_capabilities() to pmu.h Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:18   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 22:47   ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 4/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Snapshot host IA32_PERF_CAPABILITIES in kvm_host Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:19   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 22:58   ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 5/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Support PERF_METRICS MSR in mediated vPMU Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:20   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 23:05   ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 16:30   ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-23 17:59   ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23 23:44     ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-24  3:15       ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-24 20:47         ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-24 21:37           ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-24 22:59             ` Chen, Zide [this message]
2026-07-26 15:49   ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-27 15:34     ` Chen, Zide
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 6/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Move RDPMC emulation into per-vendor callbacks Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:23   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-22 23:19   ` Jim Mattson
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 7/8] KVM: x86/pmu: Emulate RDPMC on performance metrics Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:23   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23  0:02   ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23  1:44     ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23  2:25       ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23  2:52         ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23  3:10           ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-23  5:47             ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-23 16:33             ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-23 19:08             ` Chen, Zide
2026-06-29 23:19 ` [PATCH v6 8/8] KVM: selftests: Add PERF_METRICS and fixed counter 3 tests Zide Chen
2026-06-30  2:36   ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-09 12:35     ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-10  8:08       ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-10 14:52         ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-13  6:57           ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-10 15:22         ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-13  7:11           ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-14  5:11             ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-14  5:28               ` Mi, Dapeng
2026-07-14 17:06                 ` Jim Mattson
2026-07-21 19:17                   ` Chen, Zide
2026-07-21 19:48                     ` Jim Mattson

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