From: "Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
To: "Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
"Cyrill Gorcunov" <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
rdunlap@xenotime.net, tytso@mit.edu, hch@infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 02:34:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9a8748490805211734v263a1d01xd71ac72d638ec826@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080522001412.GS28946@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
2008/5/22 Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 01:46:28AM +0200, Jesper Juhl wrote:
>
> 0. Use your common sense. No hard rules will ever replace that.
>
>> - Sign up with Coverity (http://www.coverity.com/) to get access to
>> the results of their regular runs of Coverity Prevent against the
>> kernel source. Their static analysis of the kernel source finds many
>> bugs that need fixing. There is lots of good work there that needs
>> doing.
>>
>> Naturally there's also other work that can be done, like writing a
>> driver for some, currently unsupported, hardware etc, but its probably
>> best to get your feet wet with some bug fixing first.
>
> If you are familiar with C, reading the kernel source (e.g. starting
> at system call and going down from there) can be very useful; you will
> need such skills anyway and you might actually find real bugs.
>
> Asking the questions along the lines "code seems to assume that <this> never
> happens; why can't it happen and what happens if it does?" is generally
> welcome, assuming that question is more or less coherent. "I do not
> understand this code at all" will be less useful and "<this> is <expletives>
> BROKEN!!! I've found a major hole!!!" would better be right - which is not
> impossible. Use common sense; if you turn out to be wrong (which is also
> quite possible), the size of crow you'll have to eat will be directly
> proportional to the vehemence of the original posting. That applies to all
> of us - pretty much everyone had been there and probably will be there again
> and again. On the other hand, do not be surprised if the answer will be
> "It's because... Umm... Oh, !@#!@#, looks like you've spotted a nasty hole".
> It also happens and assuming that code is correct just because it is in the
> tree is a bad mistake. Newbies can and do find serious bugs and doing that
> can earn one a lot of good will.
>
>> Try to stay away from doing pointless work, like just fixing up the
>> coding style in a file, reformatting comments etc - it's not worth the
>> effort and your patch is likely to be rejected. Fixing up incorrect
>> comments to be correct, fixing up references to removed or renamed
>> functions/arguments etc is, however, useful and worth doing.
>
> Note that fixing up coding style in the code you are modifying is fine,
> provided that coding style part does not obscure the real changes you
> are making and the scale of coding style changes is not wildly out of
> proportion. Again, use the common sense - changing two lines in a function
> is not a reason to reformat every file in directory while you are at it.
>
Thanks a lot for your comments Al.
I'll try to incorporate most of it in the next revision of the document.
--
Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-22 0:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-21 5:58 [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments Jianjun Kong
2008-05-21 7:19 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-21 11:35 ` David Newall
2008-05-21 8:34 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Al Viro
2008-05-21 8:50 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 9:19 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org David Miller
2008-05-21 9:41 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Al Viro
2008-05-21 17:44 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 19:45 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 20:38 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-21 20:50 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 21:08 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-21 21:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 21:32 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-22 19:40 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-05-21 10:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-21 12:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 17:46 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 18:57 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-21 19:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 20:10 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org David Miller
2008-05-21 21:25 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-21 21:44 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-21 21:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-21 21:08 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-21 23:01 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-21 23:17 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-21 23:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-22 0:10 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-22 14:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-21 23:35 ` Al Viro
2008-05-22 0:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-22 1:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-22 16:08 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-21 19:33 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-05-21 19:45 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-21 19:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 20:06 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-21 20:27 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments), " Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-21 20:37 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-21 23:46 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-22 0:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-22 0:32 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-22 1:03 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-22 14:56 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-22 15:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-22 0:14 ` Al Viro
2008-05-22 0:34 ` Jesper Juhl [this message]
2008-05-22 1:07 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-05-22 4:51 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-22 5:34 ` david
2008-05-31 16:23 ` Nick Andrew
2008-05-21 19:42 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-05-21 19:47 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-21 19:49 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org David Miller
2008-05-21 22:03 ` Al Viro
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