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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: akpm@linux-foundation.org
Cc: tytso@mit.edu, hch@infradead.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:49:54 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080521.124954.193695735.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080521104644.5b6f4e63.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:46:44 -0700

> Guys, get a clue.  It doesn't matter what that person did.  It is the
> effect upon *all* other potential developers which is so damaging here.
> Not upon this individual.

You can't have your cake and eat it too Andrew.

It's only a half-story to talk about future contributors when current
trends on this list are making things bad for existing folks doing
useful work.

You make it sound like it's this one sided story where we have to be
all nicey nicey to everybody so that new contributors aren't discouraged,
and that's where it ends.

But we're currently encouraging a society of bottom feeders.  And
bottom feeders, although erroneously perceived as being good for the
fish tank, actually end up making the tank more dirty in the end.
So this is a trend we have to reverse now.

And we're not going to close cultural gaps by making Al Viro or any
other major kernel contributor quiet about things like this.  Don't be
so naive Andrew.  The problem is so much larger than that.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-21 19:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-21  5:58 [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments Jianjun Kong
2008-05-21  7:19 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-21 11:35   ` David Newall
2008-05-21  8:34 ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Al Viro
2008-05-21  8:50   ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21  9:19     ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org David Miller
2008-05-21  9:41     ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Al Viro
2008-05-21 17:44       ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 19:45         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 20:38           ` Rene Herman
2008-05-21 20:50             ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 21:08               ` Rene Herman
2008-05-21 21:12                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 21:32                   ` Rene Herman
2008-05-22 19:40           ` Jaya Kumar
2008-05-21 10:32     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-21 12:09       ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 17:46         ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 18:57           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-21 19:31             ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 20:10               ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org David Miller
2008-05-21 21:25                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-21 21:44                   ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-21 21:56                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-21 21:08               ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-21 23:01               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-21 23:17                 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-21 23:55                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-22  0:10                     ` Rene Herman
2008-05-22 14:31                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-21 23:35                 ` Al Viro
2008-05-22  0:38                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-22  1:05                     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-22 16:08                 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-21 19:33             ` Randy Dunlap
2008-05-21 19:45               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-21 19:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 20:06                   ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-21 20:27                     ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments), " Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-21 20:37                       ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-21 23:46                         ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-22  0:12                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-22  0:32                             ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-22  1:03                             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-22 14:56                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-22 15:29                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-22  0:14                           ` Al Viro
2008-05-22  0:34                             ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-22  1:07                           ` Johannes Weiner
2008-05-22  4:51                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-22  5:34                           ` david
2008-05-31 16:23                           ` Nick Andrew
2008-05-21 19:42             ` Johannes Weiner
2008-05-21 19:47               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-05-21 19:49           ` David Miller [this message]
2008-05-21 22:03             ` CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org Al Viro

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