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From: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>
To: James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nikos Nikoleris <nikos.nikoleris@arm.com>,
	Linu Cherian <linu.cherian@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Nanyong Sun <sunnanyong@huawei.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Always flush TLB if needed upon PTE remapping
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 17:54:06 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B8A44041-1516-4405-976D-534AA2412A49@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261003002123.505555-4-jthoughton@google.com>

Hi James,

> On Oct 3, 2026, at 08:21, James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com> wrote:
> 
> vmemmap_remap_range() can potentially leave the vmemmap in a partially
> optimized state. In this case, a TLB flush should be done if the walk
> caller asked for it, even if the optimization was not fully applied.
> 
> A follow-up patch will more completely deal with partially-optimized
> folios.

Why are we dealing with partial optimization cases right from
the start?

I know that in patch 12, you try cmpxchg 16 times, and if it
fails, it leads to the partial optimization state. What I want
to ask is, why do we limit the maximum number of attempts? Is
it because during testing you found that this kind of failure
is very common? If we did not limit the number of attempts,
was it because during testing you found that the scheduling
latency caused here is very large? Or is this just defensive
programming? In my view, scenarios with such intense
concurrent access to these struct page structures should be
very rare.

If your testing did not find any problems, my suggestion is
not to set an upper limit on the number of cmpxchg attempts.
This should be able to simplify the design of the initial
version of the code to a certain extent. If we want to
determine whether an upper limit should be added in the
future, I think we can add timing monitoring in the arm64
try_update_vmemmap_pte function and trigger a warning when
the measured time exceeds a certain threshold. If someone
reports this kind of warning to the community in the future,
then I think we can improve it at that time.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Muchun

> 
> Signed-off-by: James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>
> ---
> mm/hugetlb_vmemmap.c | 4 +---
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/mm/hugetlb_vmemmap.c b/mm/hugetlb_vmemmap.c
> index 0057fa2a16a8..1a2645c382ba 100644
> --- a/mm/hugetlb_vmemmap.c
> +++ b/mm/hugetlb_vmemmap.c
> @@ -163,13 +163,11 @@ static int vmemmap_remap_range(unsigned long start, unsigned long end,
> 	ret = walk_kernel_page_table_range(start, end, &vmemmap_remap_ops,
>    					NULL, walk);
> 	mmap_read_unlock(&init_mm);
> - 	if (ret)
> - 		return ret;
> 
> 	if (walk->remap_pte && !(walk->flags & VMEMMAP_REMAP_NO_TLB_FLUSH))
> 		flush_tlb_kernel_range(start, end);
> 
> - 	return 0;
> + 	return ret;
> }
> 
> /*
> -- 
> 2.56.0.rc1.315.gc6ed9934b7-goog
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-03  0:21 [PATCH v2 00/20] Another attempt at HVO support on arm64 James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] hugetlb: Don't restore vmemmap of non-HVOed folios on bulk restore error James Houghton
2026-10-21  9:32   ` Muchun Song
2026-10-21 21:27     ` James Houghton
2026-10-22  2:17       ` Muchun Song
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] arm64/pgtable: Clear AF with LDCLR on supported systems James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Always flush TLB if needed upon PTE remapping James Houghton
2026-10-21  9:54   ` Muchun Song [this message]
2026-10-21 21:59     ` James Houghton
2026-10-22  9:18       ` Muchun Song
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Leave pages partially HVOed upon restore failure James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Use try_update_vmemmap_pte to update in-use PTEs James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Allow architectures to dynamically disallow HVO James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Disable HVO sysctl if arch doesn't support HVO James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] hugetlb: Fully initialize tail struct pages of non-pre-HVOed bootmem folios James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Allow architectures to make HVO enablement boot-time only James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Expose whether HVO is enabled to architecture code James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] arm64: Add bbm_through_af capability James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] arm64: Implement try_update_vmemmap_pte using the AF trick James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] arm64: Support hugetlb vmemmap optimization James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] hugetlb_vmemmap: Add fault injection for in-place vmemmap PTE updates James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] selftests/mm: Add HugeTLB vmemmap optimization stress test James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 16/20 DO-NOT-MERGE] hugetlb_vmemmap: Use try_populate_vmemmap_pmd for replacing in-use PMDs James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 17/20 DO-NOT-MERGE] arm64: Implement try_populate_vmemmap_pmd using AF trick James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 18/20 DO-NOT-MERGE] arm64: Drop BBML3 requirement for HVO James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 19/20 DO-NOT-MERGE] hugetlb_vmemmap: Add fault injection for in-place vmemmap PMD splits James Houghton
2026-10-03  0:21 ` [PATCH v2 20/20 DO-NOT-MERGE] selftests/mm: Add HVO pmd-split fault injection tests James Houghton

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