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From: "David Matlack" <dmatlack@google.com>
To: "Pratyush Yadav" <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	"David Matlack" <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: "Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
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	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Baolin Wang" <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Pasha Tatashin" <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Samiullah Khawaja" <skhawaja@google.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/10] liveupdate: Preserve tmpfs files across Live Update
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2026 10:56:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DMRRDJZ8UQ2D.30SLE82GDTH48@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2vxzbj7witb7.fsf@kernel.org>

On Tue Nov 10, 2026 at 7:45 AM PST, Pratyush Yadav wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 05 2026, David Matlack wrote:
>> On 2026-11-05 04:42 PM, Christian Brauner wrote:
>>> The checks on the target are trivial: a writable fd to an empty shmem
>>> file with the inode lock held while you fill it. A tmpfs file can't be
>>> sealed, it only ever has F_SEAL_SEAL, so there's nothing to restore but
>>> contents and size anyway.
>>
>> Sounds good. The one other check I plan to add is rejecting a target
>> that LUO is already managing, e.g. a file that is preserved in an
>> outgoing session and whose size is frozen.
>
> I have been playing with this idea too, and I also stumbled onto this
> problem.
>
> You also need to make sure a preserve doesn't race with a retrieve.
> Since userspace has access to the file, it can do both at the same time.
> I think LUO should expose a "register file" function that registers the
> file in luo_preserved_files. This should be the very first thing
> retrieve does.

Agreed, that's what I have queued up for v4, which I'm hoping to send by
tomorrow.

LUO gets two new functions for .retrieve() callbacks:

 - liveupdate_claim_file() inserts the target into luo_preserved_files,
   and fails with -EBUSY if it's already there, e.g. because it's
   preserved in an outgoing session or was retrieved before.

 - liveupdate_unclaim_file() undoes it. If .retrieve() claimed the file
   it returns, LUO doesn't insert it again after the callback, and a
   callback that fails after claiming must unclaim.

On the preserve side, LUO inserts the file into luo_preserved_files
before calling the file handler .preserve(), so whichever of the two
inserts first wins and the other fails with -EBUSY.

> Also, today LUO core expects a fresh file from file handlers, so it
> always installs a FD to that file in the task. When doing the "retrieve
> into FD" thing, that will result in two FDs to the same file. While it
> isn't a strict problem, it seems kinda ugly from a uAPI prespective.
>
> Perhaps we should let retrieve signal to LUO core that "I already
> installed the file", or a "I have no file to install", or something
> similar?

Makes sense, I'll do that in v4. The file handler will tell LUO that it
restored into an existing fd, and LIVEUPDATE_SESSION_RETRIEVE_FD will
return that fd instead of installing a new one. Retrieving the token
again later still returns a new fd for the same file, like it does today
for any file that was already retrieved.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-11-10 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-03  1:02 David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] liveupdate: Pass user argument to file preserve and retrieve David Matlack
2026-11-04 13:17   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] selftests: liveupdate: Add tests for preserve and retrieve user argument David Matlack
2026-11-04 13:26   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] liveupdate: Allow file handlers to mark retrieve failures as retryable David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:12   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 16:15     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] mm: Rename memfd_luo to shmem_luo David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:25   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] liveupdate: Don't WARN if tracking a retrieved file fails David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:32   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] mm/shmem_luo: Don't make early retrieve failures permanent David Matlack
2026-11-04 15:01   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:28     ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:14       ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] mm/shmem_luo: Retrieve tmpfs files onto a tmpfs mount chosen by userspace David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:27   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:30     ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:20       ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow preserving tmpfs files that are still linked David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:45   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:32     ` David Matlack
2026-11-04 23:38     ` David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow retrieving tmpfs files with O_RDONLY David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:52   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:45     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:35       ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:11         ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/liveupdate: Add a test for preserving tmpfs files David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:59   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:37     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:42       ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:19         ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] liveupdate: Preserve tmpfs files across Live Update Christian Brauner
2026-11-05 16:52   ` David Matlack
2026-11-10 15:45     ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-10 18:56       ` David Matlack [this message]

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