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From: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Maksim Yevmenkin <maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	will@crowder-design.com, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Mikos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix OOPS in mmap_region() when merging adjacent VM_LOCKED file segments
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:35:35 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0901311216250.6763@blonde.anvils> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0901301426390.3150@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> > 
> > I just verified that adding VM_ACCOUNT to VM_MERGEABLE does allow the
> > merge to happen with the test program.  And the system didn't come
> > crashing down around me.  But, I wouldn't trust that simple test as the
> > last word.  A short run of a stress load I use held up/still running,
> > but I can't tell whether it's merging as expected there.   
> 
> Just ignoring VM_ACCOUNT for merging is not the right thing to do. It 
> probably works in practice for just about everything, but at least in 
> theory it does mean that mmap() can stop honoring MAP_NORESERVE.
> 
> Admittedly the circumstances where that happens are unlikely, and nobody 
> probably even really uses MAP_NORESERVE in the first place, so I doubt you 
> can ever see it as a real issue, but it's still technically wrong to merge 
> vma's that can differ in VM_ACCOUNT.
> 
> Now, the particular test you have, VM_ACCOUNT differs only during that 
> temporary window, and the vma's really do end up with the same VM_ACCOUNT 
> state in the end, so merging them is correct, but if you were to privately 
> map the same file (or private anonymous map) with the same permissions 
> next to each other so that they -could- merge, but use MAP_NORESERVE on 
> one and not on the other, then they shouldn't merge.
> 
> So VM_ACCOUNT does matter - just barely - for merging, and we just happen 
> to currently hit it too much due to a very odd internal reason.

It matters more than just barely - if you care about non-overcommit,
or if you care about non-wrapping Committed_AS in your /proc/meminfo.

Ignoring VM_ACCOUNT when merging is very much the wrong thing to do,
because it lets an unaccounted area be treated thereafter as accounted,
or vice versa - even forgetting the MAP_NORESERVE special case.

I have by now recalled why I chose to play those VM_ACCOUNT games:
	/* We set VM_ACCOUNT in a shared mapping's vm_flags, to inform
	 * shmem_zero_setup (perhaps called through /dev/zero's ->mmap)
	 * that memory reservation must be checked; but that reservation
	 * belongs to shared memory object, not to vma: so now clear it.
We need a way to communicate not-MAP_NORESERVE to shmem.c, and we don't
just need it in the explicit shmem_zero_setup() case, we also need it
for the (probably rare nowadays) case when mmap() is working on file
/dev/zero (drivers/char/mem.c mmap_zero()), rather than using MAP_ANON.

Still haven't decided what's best to do about it (plenty of diversions):
perhaps we just say my error was to overload VM_ACCOUNT, and define a
new flag for the purpose, which can go into VM_MERGEABLE_FLAGS; but
I'd prefer a neater solution if it crosses my mind.

Hugh

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-31 12:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <bb4a86c70901281151w4300605r3882461cd6e9774a@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0901281316450.3123@localhost.localdomain>
2009-01-29 20:03   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-01-29 20:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-29 20:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-29 22:32         ` Hugh Dickins
2009-01-29 23:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-30  4:43             ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-01-30  4:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-29 22:47         ` Maksim Yevmenkin
2009-01-29 22:48           ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-29 23:31             ` Maksim Yevmenkin
2009-01-30  2:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-30  5:56             ` Greg KH
2009-01-30 16:36               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-30 17:40                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-01-30 18:14                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-30 18:30                     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-01-30 19:53                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-01-30 20:31                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-30 21:12                         ` Hugh Dickins
2009-01-30 21:25                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-30 21:36                           ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-01-30 22:27                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-31 12:35                               ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2009-01-31 18:34                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 11:59                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-02 12:54                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-02-02 14:10                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-02 18:58                                         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-02 19:23                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 21:50                                             ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-02 22:12                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-02 22:35                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-02 18:33                                       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-03 16:13                                 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-02-03 16:40                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-03 17:10                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-02-03 21:50                                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-01-30 21:37                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-31 12:16                             ` Hugh Dickins
2009-01-30 20:33                       ` Hugh Dickins
2009-01-30 20:53                       ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-30 20:59                         ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-01-30 21:11                           ` Will Crowder
2009-01-30 23:44                   ` Greg KH
2009-01-30  8:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-30 16:45           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-30 16:49             ` Randy Dunlap

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