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From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Libo Chen <libo.chen@oracle.com>,
	"Abel Wu" <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <vernhao@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC patch v3 00/20] Cache aware scheduling
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:33:46 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a71f676d-7ffe-44d6-92c8-b34e5339507b@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8f6c7c69-b6b3-4c82-8db3-96757f09245f@linux.ibm.com>

On 7/10/2025 3:39 AM, Madadi Vineeth Reddy wrote:
> On 18/06/25 23:57, Tim Chen wrote:
>> This is the third revision of the cache aware scheduling patches,
>> based on the original patch proposed by Peter[1].
>>   
>> The goal of the patch series is to aggregate tasks sharing data
>> to the same cache domain, thereby reducing cache bouncing and
>> cache misses, and improve data access efficiency. In the current
>> implementation, threads within the same process are considered
>> as entities that potentially share resources.
> 
> [..snip..]
> 
>>
>> Comments and tests are much appreciated.
> 
> When running ebizzy as below:
> ebizzy -t 8 -S 10
> 
> I see ~24% degradation on the patched kernel, due to higher SMT2 and
> SMT4 cycles compared to the baseline. ST cycles decreased.
> 
> Since both P10 and P11 have LLC shared at the SMT4 level, even spawning
> fewer threads easily crowds the LLC with the default llc_aggr_cap value
> of 50. Increasing this value would likely make things worse, while
> decreasing it to 25 effectively disables cache-aware scheduling
> (as it limits selection to just one CPU).
> 
> I understand that ebizzy itself doesn't benefit from cache sharing, so
> it might not improve but here it actually *regresses*, and the impact
> may be even larger on P10 /P11 because of its smaller LLC shared by 4
> CPUs, even with fewer threads. IPC drops.
> 
> By default, the SCHED_CACHE feature is enabled. Given these results for
> workloads that don't share cache and on systems with smaller LLCs, I think
> the default value should be revisited.
> 

Thanks for the test. I agree with you. The SMT number,
the L3 cache size, the workload's working set size should
all be considered to find a proper threshold to enable/disable
task aggregation.

thanks,
Chenyu

> Thanks,
> Madadi Vineeth Reddy
> 


      reply	other threads:[~2025-07-10  3:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-18 18:27 Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 01/20] sched: Cache aware load-balancing Tim Chen
2025-06-26 12:23   ` Jianyong Wu
2025-06-26 13:32     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-27  0:10       ` Tim Chen
2025-06-27  2:13         ` Jianyong Wu
2025-07-03 19:29   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04  8:40     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-04  8:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-04  8:54         ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-07 19:57     ` Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 02/20] sched: Several fixes for cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:33   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-07 21:02     ` Tim Chen
2025-07-08  1:15   ` Libo Chen
2025-07-08  7:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-08 15:47       ` Libo Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 03/20] sched: Avoid task migration within its preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 04/20] sched: Avoid calculating the cpumask if the system is overloaded Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:39   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-07 14:57     ` Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 05/20] sched: Add hysteresis to switch a task's preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-07-02  6:47   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-07-02 21:47     ` Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 06/20] sched: Save the per LLC utilization for better cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 07/20] sched: Add helper function to decide whether to allow " Tim Chen
2025-07-08  0:41   ` Libo Chen
2025-07-08  8:29     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-08 17:22       ` Libo Chen
2025-07-09 14:41         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-09 21:31           ` Libo Chen
2025-07-08 21:59     ` Tim Chen
2025-07-09 21:22       ` Libo Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 08/20] sched: Set up LLC indexing Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:44   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04  9:36     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 09/20] sched: Introduce task preferred LLC field Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 10/20] sched: Calculate the number of tasks that have LLC preference on a runqueue Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:45   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04 15:00     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 11/20] sched: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 12/20] sched: Calculate the total number of preferred LLC tasks during load balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 13/20] sched: Tag the sched group as llc_balance if it has tasks prefer other LLC Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 14/20] sched: Introduce update_llc_busiest() to deal with groups having preferred LLC tasks Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:52   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-05  2:26     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 15/20] sched: Introduce a new migration_type to track the preferred LLC load balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 16/20] sched: Consider LLC locality for active balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 17/20] sched: Consider LLC preference when picking tasks from busiest queue Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 18/20] sched: Do not migrate task if it is moving out of its preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 19/20] sched: Introduce SCHED_CACHE_LB to control cache aware load balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 20/20] sched: Introduce SCHED_CACHE_WAKE to control LLC aggregation on wake up Tim Chen
2025-06-19  6:39 ` [RFC patch v3 00/20] Cache aware scheduling Yangyu Chen
2025-06-19 13:21   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-19 14:12     ` Yangyu Chen
2025-06-20 19:25 ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-06-22  0:39   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-24 17:47     ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-06-23 16:45   ` Tim Chen
2025-06-24  5:00 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-06-24 12:16   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-25  4:19     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-06-25  0:30   ` Tim Chen
2025-06-25  4:30     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-07-03 20:00   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04 10:09     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-09 19:39 ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-07-10  3:33   ` Chen, Yu C [this message]

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