From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>, Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
Subject: Re: Regression in 2.6.27 caused by commit bfc0f59
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809021446360.3160@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809022239220.3243@apollo.tec.linutronix.de>
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>
> On that box, the PIT is probably real hardware or a damned good
> emulation. When you look at the 10 loop values you see that it does
> 50% perfectly fine calibration loops. The others are just SMI
> interruptions caused by random unknown crap in the BIOS.
Ok, so I actually think I know how to resolve the problem once and for
all.
The solution is actually fairly simple: we use the HPET algorithm. The
reason the HPET algorithm is so robust is that
- we can actually read the frequency from the HPET itself
- we also simply just read the counter values from the HPET, and so it
doesn't really matter how much time has passed between the two reads,
it only matters that _some_ time has passed, and that we pick _one_
stable read that we can associate with a TSC value.
But the thing is, the exact same thing is actually true of the old PIT
timer too - except we simply don't take advantage of it. The PIT timer has
a very well known frequency value (PIT_TICK_RATE: 1193180 Hz), and we can
trivially read the counter value too.
But the thing is, that for some forgotten reason, that's not actually what
we do. Instead of reading the counter value, we wait until it counts down
to zero, and read the output value instead. So instead of having a nice
and dependable counter that ticks down (16 bits of precision), we actually
use a _single_ bit of result, and depend on reading the TSC at the same
time.
That's kind of sad.
I'll try to whip up a test-patch to do this in a smarter way.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-02 22:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-31 22:54 Larry Finger
2008-09-01 11:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 15:37 ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 17:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 17:44 ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 18:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 19:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 20:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 21:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 22:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 22:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 22:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 23:24 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 6:37 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-02 12:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 22:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 23:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 3:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 3:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 4:54 ` Larry Finger
2008-09-02 9:17 ` Alan Cox
2008-09-02 12:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 18:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 18:41 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-02 21:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 21:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 22:21 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-09-02 23:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-03 1:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 22:54 ` [PATCH] Fix TSC calibration issues Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-03 2:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-03 9:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-04 1:14 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-04 2:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 3:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-04 3:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 4:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-04 4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 4:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-04 4:25 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-09-04 4:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 5:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-09-04 1:18 ` [PATCH] Change warning message in TSC calibration Alok Kataria
2008-09-03 2:51 ` [PATCH] Fix TSC calibration issues Larry Finger
2008-09-03 4:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-03 4:34 ` Larry Finger
2008-09-05 13:45 ` Regression in 2.6.27 caused by commit bfc0f59 Mark Lord
2008-09-02 17:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-09-01 19:36 ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 20:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 20:23 ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 20:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 19:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
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