From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Li Zhe <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, ljs@kernel.org, liam@infradead.org,
rppt@kernel.org, mhocko@suse.com, corbet@lwn.net,
skhan@linuxfoundation.org, ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com,
apopple@nvidia.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/numa_balancing: allow migrate on protnone reference with MPOL_WEIGHTED_INTERLEAVE policy
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2026 08:05:51 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ar-b2nxDbQjcDbLY@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cac17315-7157-4f97-8ad4-98ef268f1b8a@bytedance.com>
On Fri, Oct 02, 2026 at 04:15:45PM +0800, Li Zhe wrote:
> On 10/2/26 3:56 PM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > I can understand the "random initial placement will help if you cross your
> > fingers" argument from Zi.
> >
> > But then the question really is whether the app should then change the policy
> > after the initial placement was done and the weighted stuff no longer makes a
> > lot of sense.
> Yes, that model makes sense if the application or runtime can
> cooperate with the policy switch.
>
> One limitation is that this is not fully transparent for existing
> workloads. set_mempolicy() updates the calling task's policy, and
> mbind() updates VMAs in the calling mm. move_pages() and
> migrate_pages() can move pages of another process, but they do not
> change that process's future allocation policy.
>
> So I agree this staged approach is worth considering, but it also has
> some deployment cost for workloads that cannot participate in the
> policy switch.
>
if the use-case is vma (mbind), such a switch can make sense.
if the use-case is task policy (set_mempolicy), such a switch is
not a realistic solution.
In userspace we tend to use task policy by way of numactl:
numactl --interleave=all ./my_program
This calls set_mempolicy for the numactl task and then exec's into
my_program with the inherited mempolicy. That mempolicy is dup'd on
fork / clone.
Changing the mempolicy from that point requires every task in the
workload to call set_mempolicy() again.
There is no way to externally change another task's mempolicy.
I attempted this during the initial weighted-interleave exploration:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20231122211200.31620-1-gregory.price@memverge.com/
but we did not see the need for it once we landed on sysfs controls for
weights. In addition - there are MANY `current` assumptions hard coded
into the mempolicy and cgroup stack - getting such things dug out would
be (will be?) very painful.
~Gregory
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-02 12:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-30 7:26 Li Zhe
2026-09-30 8:43 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 8:59 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 9:11 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 10:59 ` Joshua Hahn
2026-09-30 11:22 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 12:25 ` Gregory Price
2026-10-02 7:25 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 11:26 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-30 11:52 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 12:11 ` Joshua Hahn
2026-09-30 14:02 ` Li Zhe
2026-09-30 14:50 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 15:10 ` Zi Yan
2026-10-01 10:54 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-01 11:18 ` Zi Yan
2026-10-01 13:26 ` Gregory Price
2026-10-02 7:56 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-02 8:15 ` Li Zhe
2026-10-02 12:05 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-09-30 12:03 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-30 12:32 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-30 13:40 ` Gregory Price
2026-10-01 10:55 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
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